Will the Tees Valley populace

exeterboro said:
Well going on the multitude of posts on here in the last few months we can wave goodbye to the Tees Valley Airport as a growing hub. Which I don't think Labour Party members on here get, but probably lots of voters in the Tees Valley see a local airport as a positive and it stands out in their decision to vote for BH. I get the feeling that the airport will be earmarked for extra housing in the future which is a shame and won't leave a good taste in many people's mouths. When realism is quoted about the Airport and it's future, whose Realism? Because it is all subjective.
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If you are saying that the airport is not viable, beneficial or it's dealings above board, why on earth should the public continue to fund it?

And note, I didn't bring the airport into the discussion
 
exeterboro said:
Well going on the multitude of posts on here in the last few months we can wave goodbye to the Tees Valley Airport as a growing hub. Which I don't think Labour Party members on here get, but probably lots of voters in the Tees Valley see a local airport as a positive and it stands out in their decision to vote for BH. I get the feeling that the airport will be earmarked for extra housing in the future which is a shame and won't leave a good taste in many people's mouths. When realism is quoted about the Airport and it's future, whose Realism? Because it is all subjective.
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I don't think there's anyone who doesn't want the airport to be successful but at what point do you stop throwing money at a project?

To say that people don't 'get' it is a bit silly.

The public money being spent on it isn't subjective; it's fact. Whether you think that is money well spent is. People on a messageboard questioning its viability isn't why there are only 4 flights in and 4 flights out tomorrow and Saturday on a long weekend.
 
exeterboro said:
I'm talking about the very likely scenario of Labour party being re-elected, you may be working with him now, because what other options do you have in the run up to the election. After the election, when you can encourage the NAO to work their magic and you hold the purse strings then what happens?
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Work their magic?

Multiple investigations by outside agencies have identified serious breaches of ethical practice in office. Even a hand picked Tory investigation said “not transparent”. It needs a proper investigation, this is public money, our money, not BH to give to his mates.

If any projects are stopped I’m sure it will be because of an inability for it to provide value to the public not out of some kind of spite. The adults are going to be back in the room soon; the last 14 years of nonsense will change.
 
exeterboro said:
...be the collateral by an incoming Labour party putting BH into their crosshairs?. It seemed to be suggested that not only would the National Audit Office be going after him and his Teesport dealings ( which is fair enough) but that the central Labour party wouldn't engage with him and the various other projects under way. Which considering the decades of neglect not only by the conservatives but by Labour of Teesside is just more of the same which this area has had to put up with. I much prefer it he was referred to the NAO but Labour engaged with him for the sake of the area and helped the projects under way until the NAO report came out. Sounds like common sense but I'm not sure with any of the political parties anymore.
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He is the elected mayor but I think they need to make sure transparency in contracts no more for his cronies so invests well. He cannot act like a despot anymore. If he is guilty of any wrong doings he must go personally I think he is just incompetent which is what Gove's report said in a round about way.
 
Mustoes boots said:
He is the elected mayor but I think they need to make sure transparency in contracts no more for his cronies so invests well. He cannot act like a despot anymore. If he is guilty of any wrong doings he must go personally I think he is just incompetent which is what Gove's report said in a round about way.
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I think that's fair. You can see why the sportswear company he was at went bust. It's just chaos with him.

Again, though, even with that he doesn't help himself. He makes out that the company only got into trouble after he left and it was over a year before they went under, when in fact they went into liquidation only 6 months after.
 
asredastheycome said:
Sometimes answers are one and the same. His answer was fine by me. Not sure why you are looking for more.
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It almost seems as though he looking for more so he can claim that Labour don't care about Teesside and will let it and all the jobs go because its run by Bent Houchen.
 
exeterboro said:
...be the collateral by an incoming Labour party putting BH into their crosshairs?. It seemed to be suggested that not only would the National Audit Office be going after him and his Teesport dealings ( which is fair enough) but that the central Labour party wouldn't engage with him and the various other projects under way. Which considering the decades of neglect not only by the conservatives but by Labour of Teesside is just more of the same which this area has had to put up with. I much prefer it he was referred to the NAO but Labour engaged with him for the sake of the area and helped the projects under way until the NAO report came out. Sounds like common sense but I'm not sure with any of the political parties anymore.
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This post is very fishy by the way.

Who do you intend to vote for in the GE?
 
Colgates_shaving_foam said:
What happens if Houchen resigns?

Do we have another vote for the Mayor? I am guessing we do but not sure.

I can't see him hanging around long if Labour win in July.
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I hope you're right and an there's another election. I'd also like an option of ditching the position altogether.

It would be interesting to see what becomes of the development boards without him involved.
 
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Colgates_shaving_foam said:
This post is very fishy by the way.

Who do you intend to vote for in the GE?
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Oh get lost mate, just because I have an opinion which doesn't match a fairly big group on here doesn't mean I'm voting tory. And that's another issue, any challenge or different opinion to the insular political ones on here gets seen as the opposition or as hostile, there no self introspection or any anything which gives cause for pause. The narrative on here by mostly the local Labour members ( I'm guessing) is let's go for BH, let's nail him when we have a chance. That isn't going to been clean cut is it? It's going be messy, it's gonna be drawn out, probably things end up going into stalemate for a while it might even become headliner for the rags as they look to knock the LP for the 2029 election as they back 'plucky BH' , but the thing this is the problem it's the usual two big political parties slugging it out as normal and as a result there be a hiatus on projects in Tees Valley, investors will be scared away because projects may get binned, and central government assistance for development will be frozen and that will be the waste, BH getting away scott free is not desirable but what about let's put financial restraints or his position and work with him to achieve completion and development of the projects underway. Whether you like him or not or trust him he does have vision for the area and he knows how to convey it to the electorate. That is what most people who voted for him buy into, but that gets dismissed on here in a disparaging way about the voters.. Only a few times did I read posts after the recent TVA vote comments that were self critical of the LP campaign and how that could have been done better, most posts just felt bitter and I read the usual dismissal of voter ****.

To go back to my voting record, I'm not a Labour supporter, I didn't vote in 2005, because I was still ***ed off about Iraq. I voted Liberal in 2010, and I will never vote again for them, I wanted a change, I ended up with the Tory party.
I have voted Labour every election since then, but that is mostly down to the efforts of Ben Bradshaw who has been outstanding as an MP for Exeter. He is stepping down and his replacement is a guy called Steve Race, I'm not sure if I vote. I don't vote tory ( not intentionally - 2010), and I don't trust independents they all seem to have been hijacked by neoliberal interests.
 
exeterboro said:
No, but keep up with the character assassination then my opinion doesn't matter, 👍
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Well it doesn’t you are right. It’s all personal choice. Your strange protestations to The Lodger though with all this” I worked at the CivilService so I know about politics” is a bit weird.
 
exeterboro said:
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Oh get lost mate, just because I have an opinion which doesn't match a fairly big group on here doesn't mean I'm voting tory. And that's another issue, any challenge or different opinion to the insular political ones on here gets seen as the opposition or as hostile, there no self introspection or any anything which gives cause for pause. The narrative on here by mostly the local Labour members ( I'm guessing) is let's go for BH, let's nail him when we have a chance. That isn't going to been clean cut is it? It's going be messy, it's gonna be drawn out, probably things end up going into stalemate for a while it might even become headliner for the rags as they look to knock the LP for the 2029 election as they back 'plucky BH' , but the thing this is the problem it's the usual two big political parties slugging it out as normal and as a result there be a hiatus on projects in Tees Valley, investors will be scared away because projects may get binned, and central government assistance for development will be frozen and that will be the waste, BH getting away scott free is not desirable but what about let's put financial restraints or his position and work with him to achieve completion and development of the projects underway. Whether you like him or not or trust him he does have vision for the area and he knows how to convey it to the electorate. That is what most people who voted for him buy into, but that gets dismissed on here in a disparaging way about the voters.. Only a few times did I read posts after the recent TVA vote comments that were self critical of the LP campaign and how that could have been done better, most posts just felt bitter and I read the usual dismissal of voter ****.

To go back to my voting record, I'm not a Labour supporter, I didn't vote in 2005, because I was still ***ed off about Iraq. I voted Liberal in 2010, and I will never vote again for them, I wanted a change, I ended up with the Tory party.
I have voted Labour every election since then, but that is mostly down to the efforts of Ben Bradshaw who has been outstanding as an MP for Exeter. He is stepping down and his replacement is a guy called Steve Race, I'm not sure if I vote. I don't vote tory ( not intentionally - 2010), and I don't trust independents they all seem to have been hijacked by neoliberal interests.
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Cool, I wondered as the OP reads a bit like vote tory in the Tees Valley or get left behind due to having a tory mayor.
 
Colgates_shaving_foam said:
Cool, I wondered as the OP reads a bit like vote tory in the Tees Valley or get left behind due to having a tory mayor.
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It might have felt Tory to you but it wasn't, you're getting in Nationally. The LP is going to go after him, in that process ( which won't be as linear and one way as some posters imagine), I feel ( personally) the Teesside/ TVA areas won't thave as much benefit as they could have from 5 years minimum of a LP, while other neglected areas will be getting full benefit. My maybe not clear point is "Don't make assistance to his projects off limits", Teesside needs a few good years in the sun, if it doesn't happen when a Labour Party is in power when will it happen?
 
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Cardiffdaffs said:
Well it doesn’t you are right. It’s all personal choice. Your strange protestations to The Lodger though with all this” I worked at the CivilService so I know about politics” is a bit weird.
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I have seen answers like the lodger many times,if you know you know, what can I say to you.
Thanks for posting a couple of times, and pointing out my weirdness , I take your claim of it doesn't matter seriously 👍
 
exeterboro said:
I much prefer it he was referred to the NAO but Labour engaged with him for the sake of the area and helped the projects under way until the NAO report came out. Sounds like common sense but I'm not sure with any of the political parties anymore.
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That is most likely the approach Starmer would take, but others might not. Starmer will have a lot of other priorities.
 
There should be an NAO audit into all matters TVCA and Ben Houchen.
If there is serious wrong doing he should resign.
If there is issues to be fixed then they should be fixed and then all parties work together for the betterment of Teesside until the next election.
If it’s a clean bill of health then all parties work together for the betterment of Teesside until the next election.
 
exeterboro said:
Not disagreeing.

What happens to the ongoing Tees Valley projects in the meantime, these reports don't take a few days? What assistance is going to do come the Tees Valley so the population don't miss out again. Are the projects which he has personally championed and promoted going to be sidelined while, a list of other projects will be put forward which probably won't get to completion just like the Tees Valley Metro in 2003.
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Which Tees Valley projects?
 
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