YouGov Poll - 33 Point lead!
- Thread starter Chris_Boro
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May I ask who you chaps think is arguing in favour of a government that has ridiculous headlines, doesn't serve the people, doesn't govern, and is up to its neck in every scam going?
Do you really, genuinely think thats what is being said by people who've criticised Starmer on threads like this one?
Do you really, genuinely think thats what is being said by people who've criticised Starmer on threads like this one?
Chris_Boro
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Can I not produce a general statement without needing to quote an individual?
Why does everything need to come back to the same arguments that have been endlessly done to death?
The point I'm making and it's been joked about already in this thread, is people are sick of drama and see Starmer/Labour as a possible end to that (and this thread). This is not a defence against other criticisms.
The vast majority of people have little interest in politics, that includes Corbyn, Starmer, Johnson and everyone else.
Unravel_Morrison
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We get it, you want the barsteward child of Jeremy Corbyn, Karl Marx and probably The Honey Monster but most people who want change, want just that.
This lot in power are incompetent, of dubious character, liars and populists.
Your main criticism of Starmer is that he's a politician who does politics.
There is a section of the public who believe that Corbyn is anti-Britain, a terrorist sympathiser and an anti-semite. They also think he's a scruffy so and so.
They think Starmer is a bit boring.
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Scrote
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I can't speak for anyone else, but my main criticism of Starmer is that he is a politician who explicitly doesn't do politics.
It's exclusively about image. There is no policy, ergo there is no politics. He's distanced himself from just about everything he's ever promised.
The Labour party is a hollowed out shell just waiting for power with no real plan for what to do with it.
Chris_Boro
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Since when is politics only about policy?
Of course you can. But you did put boring in quotation marks so I don't think I'm totally unreasonable to think you're responding to something/someone, am I?
BlindBoyGrunt
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LessoftheLip
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Actually no you didn't so apologies for that.
However you have 'liked' Scrote's post containing a falsehood that Corbyn forced no end of U-Turns on Tory policy so I'll downgrade that apology to an acknowledgement
BlindBoyGrunt
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That like was posted a day after you made your mistake,
Precrime?
LessoftheLip
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Scrote
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It's not only about policy but without policy there's not a lot of politicking to be done.
At some point you have to make a decision to do x or y, where x and y are incompatible with each other.
I'm sure you could just wing it but you'd end up just following the loudest voices if your only objective is retaining power.
At some point policy matters.
HolgateCorner
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It is true that it doesn’t matter to everybody though.
Some vote Tory because their Dad did.
Or because they don’t like the communists.
Or because they are royalists.
Or because Johnson behaved like he was everybody’s favourite daft uncle who gave them plenty of pocket money.
Do you think the millions who go on like that read the detail of policy?
And in fairness you do know the general direction of travel of the major parties without reading anything.
Andy_W
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That immigration/ asylum one is interesting, didn't think Labour would be leading on that, but I think I looked at it the wrong way.
The people who want us to be humane to other humans have a 15 point lead over those who think the navy should be sinking the small boats.
Suppose they could have broken that category down in half, but could have said that for a lot of the categories.