the_holgate_roof
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I am wondering if a COVID passport would be more of an electronic thing on an app, rather than a paper certificate?
Do you think Vaccine passports should be needed to get into pubs?
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It will, it will be the NHS app which already exists. Not the covid track and trace app, the standard NHS app
Surely there would have to be some alternative, for people who don't have smart phones?
Laughing
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Fair enough Cuthbert, I do get a bit riled way too easily at how some people are happy to see our way of life being systematically destroyed.
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Slim pickings where I live FC, we have limpy Ian and laugh at anything Mark
FatCat
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Israel’s “green pass” is an early vision of how we leave lockdown
There are plans all over the world for apps and cards that would prove vaccination. But Israel’s experience suggests major caveats.
www.technologyreview.com
I think I it’s not such an off the wall idea - certainly being debated with Israel’s green pass provoking conversation.
NYboro
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Shouldn't be necessary. In NYC, they take your temperature as you go in, one of the party has to leave address and phone number and you must wear a mask until seated, no exceptions and no more than 6 to a table. The licensing authorities do come round and they will revoke the license straightaway for breaches. Slightly different on Long Island, in that temperature and phone number are not needed, although they are for hairdressers, nail salons etc.
Remarkable isn't it? Someone earlier was suggesting there should be mandatory vaccination!
In my view, the point of the vaccines is......
1) to protect the person taking the vaccine (by reducing symptoms and the level of disease they suffer), decreasing deaths, decreasing hospital admissions, and decreasing transmission within the community during those periods of the year it will transmit easily.
2) provide greater protection to the population as a whole. With more people vaccinated in addition to those gathering immunity through natural infection the susceptible population decreases such that the herd immunity threshold is reached. If "herd immunity" hadn't become the political football (rather than a scientific concept) it did last spring we'd be in a much better position.
SARS-CoV-2 is likely to be with us for a very very long time. It will become less of a threat over time but it isn't going anywhere. But with most of the population protected to some extent we should be moving back to normal not introducing more and more bizarre restrictions as we actually move into a better position with population immunity/community immunity/herd immunity (whatever you want to call it).
For all of those whose who are calling for vaccine passports....... I'm assuming you'll be in favour of restrictions being permanent and used to protect against Flu, RSV etc?
1) to protect the person taking the vaccine (by reducing symptoms and the level of disease they suffer), decreasing deaths, decreasing hospital admissions, and decreasing transmission within the community during those periods of the year it will transmit easily.
2) provide greater protection to the population as a whole. With more people vaccinated in addition to those gathering immunity through natural infection the susceptible population decreases such that the herd immunity threshold is reached. If "herd immunity" hadn't become the political football (rather than a scientific concept) it did last spring we'd be in a much better position.
SARS-CoV-2 is likely to be with us for a very very long time. It will become less of a threat over time but it isn't going anywhere. But with most of the population protected to some extent we should be moving back to normal not introducing more and more bizarre restrictions as we actually move into a better position with population immunity/community immunity/herd immunity (whatever you want to call it).
For all of those whose who are calling for vaccine passports....... I'm assuming you'll be in favour of restrictions being permanent and used to protect against Flu, RSV etc?
BaronSmoggie
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In my heart, I like the idea of the passport, but I can't see how it can be implemented without, as other posters have pointed out, fraud on a massive scale. Businesses have a right to set conditions for use of their services, they are private entities. Some will want to use the passport, some won't.
This is a stupid comment, the vaccination gives people a sense of protection and safety, not superiority.
This is a stupid comment, the vaccination gives people a sense of protection and safety, not superiority.
asredastheycome
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Well thats me out then. About 18 months ago I spent a week trying to sign up for the NHS app. Sent copies of passport, photos, nhs numbers and god knows what else still told me they were not good enough so gave up. Unless they have simplified the sign up.
asredastheycome
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Are they really going to be free tests. A friend of mine is going to Canaries in Sept and going by current rules(she priced it up) it was going to be an extra £400 for her holiday with the test she needs before she goes before she comes back and the two tests after she comes back.
asredastheycome
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Unfortunately they will be all under 30 and won't have had the jab yet and will be furloughing
Expat Smoggie
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I can’t see it being used as a form of ID — punters want customers — then there will be the odd excuse like “I’ve forgotten mine” or “we’re together” or “come on let us in just this once” — it’ll never hold up.
Took about 5 minutes, and I didn't need any paperwork
Not sure what you were signing up to, but the app doesn't need copies of passport etc
Corcaigh_the_Cat
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Not more ageism!
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How would the advocates of this feel if a law was passed saying you couldn't hug your grandchildren, children, nephews and nieces until you had all been vaccinated? It is after all for the greater good.
It's a load of nonsense. Those of you who think unvaccinated people should have less freedoms than vaccinated are in an 8% minority.
Please take a moment to consider what you are saying in a wider context.
Dna databases, monitoring your movements and Id cards, banning public protests can all be framed for the greater good. They are not.
You are sleepwalking into a country controlled by Johnson, where the government have absolute control of your decisions.
It's for the greater good though, right.
It's a load of nonsense. Those of you who think unvaccinated people should have less freedoms than vaccinated are in an 8% minority.
Please take a moment to consider what you are saying in a wider context.
Dna databases, monitoring your movements and Id cards, banning public protests can all be framed for the greater good. They are not.
You are sleepwalking into a country controlled by Johnson, where the government have absolute control of your decisions.
It's for the greater good though, right.