Do you think Vaccine passports should be needed to get into pubs?

[TeaCider]

I'm not convinced it'll work but it's either vaccine OR test that's been muted and there has been one group of nightclubs owner who's for it. Also Wetherspoons weighing up pros and cons.

The test is an even worse idea, and I don't see how it would even be possible in most pubs, you'd need to hire additional staff for lower profits.

I think it would be far less of an issue in nightclubs given they nearly universally have bouncers checking ID and most have an entry fee anyway.
People don't just walk in off the street like pubs.

I really hope it's not something that goes beyond the idea phase.

 

[A]

I am astounded that anyone would be in support of a COVID passport. A healthy 18 year old is not likely to be vaccinated for months and months.

No, but they can get a test very easily and if he/she is working in a company of 10 or more employees they will get tested for free through his workplace. If they are a student, they will also have ready, free access to a test

 

[Laughing]

Nobody is saying they are in favour of passports for seeing family, only for hospitality settings to allow them to open up and try to keep people in jobs before they go bust

You have to argue your case on the debate being had, not one that isn't, unless of course you are suggesting you only ever meet family members in hospitality settings, but I dont think you are, so your notion that some people can meet family and others are excluded from doing so based solely on a covid passport doesn't pass muster

Which is why I mentioned the wider context. It's ok to have a 2 tier society for pubs, but not for meeting with friends and family? Where else would it be OK for a 2 tier system, churches, the office, where else Artie?

 

[Laughing]

What am I suggesting?

My only comment on this thread was that Covid passports shouldn't be used until everybody was offered them.

Would you be happy for people to smoke in restaurants, pubs, offices and shops?

It was a direct comment on your post that we have all been banned from seeing our grandkids CtC. So long as the same rules apply to all you do not divide people.

On the smoking ban, it's a slightly different topic but for the record I was against the smoking ban and it should have been left up to owners to make that choice.

 

[Laughing]

covid passports is rapidly replacing the immigration debate, stop falling for divisive tactics from a government that don't care whether you live or die, don't care about the economy, so long as they can skim from the public purse.

 

[bear66]

The test is an even worse idea, and I don't see how it would even be possible in most pubs, you'd need to hire additional staff for lower profits.

I think it would be far less of an issue in nightclubs given they nearly universally have bouncers checking ID and most have an entry fee anyway.
People don't just walk in off the street like pubs.

I really hope it's not something that goes beyond the idea phase.

Some nightclub owners see the benefits and most towns have a number of pub/nightclubs.

I think it'll all go away as it'll be widely abused, so social distancing with some pubs empty and some pubs ignoring the rules will continue.

 

[A]

Which is why I mentioned the wider context. It's ok to have a 2 tier society for pubs, but not for meeting with friends and family? Where else would it be OK for a 2 tier system, churches, the office, where else Artie?

Anywhere that has large numbers of people in close proximity. I think some folk are desperate to feel oppressed rather than view it as a means to an end

In the interests of balance, a jab or negative test has been in place in my office and many sites we visit since the beginning of the year. There has not been a single complaint and everyone without exception fully supports this. I accept this is a tiny sample

 

[Lightweight]

It's a shame you've had a rubbish experience with the app. For reasons I cant explain mine was a much smoother process, I dont know why there is such a difference

I signed up for the nhs app after reading this thread yesterday. Very simple, just needed NHS number, scan my drivers license and then scanned my face to confirm identity. Took 30 minutes for access to my details. Very useful. Thanks

 

[Laughing]

Anywhere that has large numbers of people in close proximity. I think some folk are desperate to feel oppressed rather than view it as a means to an end

In the interests of balance, a jab or negative test has been in place in my office and many sites we visit since the beginning of the year. There has not been a single complaint and everyone without exception fully supports this. I accept this is a tiny sample

Artie, my whole point is it is not a means to an end, well it is, but not the end you think. The end is to set us against each other, to divide us based on vaccination certificates. To get us having this ridiculous debate instead of questioning a governments motives.

As I posted above 92% of the population is against unvaccinated people being treated any differently to vaccinated folks, according to yougov. Interestingly enough, when the question was phrased as this thread is, 58% thought it was a good idea.

The goverrnment are playing games.

I think I am done with this thread, it's going in circles. I think we all know what the other side thinks so a bit pointless to continue the debate.

 

[Muttley]

No.

 

[Liamo]

Nope, sorry, do not believe that.
Especially if comes out of any government orifice.
3 weeks to protect the NHS.
We will beat it in 12 weeks.
Save Xmas to stop another lockdown.
Kids are going back to school in January.

Lies after lies after lies.

How can you not believe that vaccine passports (if they are ever introduced) will be anything other than a temporary measure? The current state of affairs will not last forever. Unless some new variant comes along that is signficantly different from the current SARS-CoV-2 virus, there will almost certainly come a time when this current coronavirus crisis is behind us.

Some medical experts are even hopeful that this virus will eventually be eradicated completely. Whether that is the case or whether it just fades to where it's no more dangerous than a seasonal flu, I'm convinced there'll come a time when CoViD-19 is no longer the fearful menace it is now.

As far as I'm concerned there's no way that a vaccine passport would still be required (if they ever are in the first place) for something that would no longer be major threat.

 

[Nero]

The most important thing is for people to still maintain good hygiene practices. Sanitise hands before entering and always washing hands in the toilet. Avoid touching the face at all times.

 

[Otto42]

Anywhere that has large numbers of people in close proximity. I think some folk are desperate to feel oppressed rather than view it as a means to an end

In the interests of balance, a jab or negative test has been in place in my office and many sites we visit since the beginning of the year. There has not been a single complaint and everyone without exception fully supports this. I accept this is a tiny sample

Exactly, this is a way to allow some return to normality and stability. COVID-19 in whatever guise is with us for the long term. I am no fan of the government, but this isn't about stopping people doing things, it's about allowing us to live a bit like we used to. Look at the trial for gigs etc...in Barcelona, without rapid testing and vaccine passports we have social distancing and intermittent lockdowns ad infinitum.

 

[Alvez_48]

You want some freedom then we must have them.
So utterly delusional and weak I'm alright jack mentality.
10 years from now those that support these measures will deny it as we tap our phones every time we leave the house to go absolutely anywhere and every bit of data is recorded and analysed.
**** those who can't have the vaccine, **** those who haven't been offered it and **** those who choose not to have it.

 

[BaronSmoggie]

10 years from now those that support these measures will deny it as we tap our phones every time we leave the house to go absolutely anywhere and every bit of data is recorded and analysed.

I hear this a lot and its utter nonsense.

You carry a phone right now with a GPS tracker in it and the mobile signal is triangulated. They know where you are right now.
Every time you use a smartphone app, that data is recorded in that app and the integration with Google, Apple and FB means they already have this data to know your movements. Usage, location, advertising, metrics.
Wear a smart watch that gathers health data (Fitbit for example), that data is tied into your personal record with the above, building up a more complete picture of you.

The only difference is that this data now is gathered by private entities, not the government, yet they seem to get a free pass. Now imagine your unique national insurance number and your NHS medical record being tied to that data from those private entities. Bang, a complete user profile in the hands of for profit enterprises. Is that more or less acceptable than 'big gubberment' holding all the data. BG by the way, already hold a lot of data, look at the government gateway ID where you can link medical, passport and driving licence into a single record.

Don't use a spurious argument about future data analysis, when its already a mature industry more than a decade old.

 

[A]

I hear this a lot and its utter nonsense.

You carry a phone right now with a GPS tracker in it and the mobile signal is triangulated. They know where you are right now.
Every time you use a smartphone app, that data is recorded in that app and the integration with Google, Apple and FB means they already have this data to know your movements. Usage, location, advertising, metrics.
Wear a smart watch that gathers health data (Fitbit for example), that data is tied into your personal record with the above, building up a more complete picture of you.

The only difference is that this data now is gathered by private entities, not the government, yet they seem to get a free pass. Now imagine your unique national insurance number and your NHS medical record being tied to that data from those private entities. Bang, a complete user profile in the hands of for profit enterprises. Is that more or less acceptable than 'big gubberment' holding all the data. BG by the way, already hold a lot of data, look at the government gateway ID where you can link medical, passport and driving licence into a single record.

Don't use a spurious argument about future data analysis, when its already a mature industry more than a decade old.

This came up quite a bit when we were all told to scan into venues with the covid app and people were unhappy with 'being tracked' but they get to the bar and pay via card or smart device then check in on FB

 

[asredastheycome]

Took about 5 minutes, and I didn't need any paperwork

Not sure what you were signing up to, but the app doesn't need copies of passport etc

We are not on about the same thing then or they have simplified it in the last 18 months but it was definitely a NHS app. My son said it was only a year ago as he took photos we sent.

 

[Otto42]

You want some freedom then we must have them.
So utterly delusional and weak I'm alright jack mentality.
10 years from now those that support these measures will deny it as we tap our phones every time we leave the house to go absolutely anywhere and every bit of data is recorded and analysed.
**** those who can't have the vaccine, **** those who haven't been offered it and **** those who choose not to have it.

Similar arguments used to be played out about seat belts in the 70s. Every bit of your on line profile is already analysed by big tech to sell you stuff you think you need and to get you to behave how they want you to. If you want a full on libetarian society then go ahead, but dont suggest that this is the thin end of the wedge!

 

[A]

We are not on about the same thing then or they have simplified it in the last 18 months but it was definitely a NHS app. My son said it was only a year ago as he took photos we sent.

I must have mis-remembered, you do need some photo ID. I did it about 6 months ago, but I didn't find it a pain to do. Have another bash

 

[asredastheycome]

I must have mis-remembered, you do need some photo ID. I did it about 6 months ago, but I didn't find it a pain to do. Have another bash

Yes might do cheers