Do you think Vaccine passports should be needed to get into pubs?

BaronSmoggie said:
I hear this a lot and its utter nonsense.

You carry a phone right now with a GPS tracker in it and the mobile signal is triangulated. They know where you are right now.
Every time you use a smartphone app, that data is recorded in that app and the integration with Google, Apple and FB means they already have this data to know your movements. Usage, location, advertising, metrics.
Wear a smart watch that gathers health data (Fitbit for example), that data is tied into your personal record with the above, building up a more complete picture of you.

The only difference is that this data now is gathered by private entities, not the government, yet they seem to get a free pass. Now imagine your unique national insurance number and your NHS medical record being tied to that data from those private entities. Bang, a complete user profile in the hands of for profit enterprises. Is that more or less acceptable than 'big gubberment' holding all the data. BG by the way, already hold a lot of data, look at the government gateway ID where you can link medical, passport and driving licence into a single record.

Don't use a spurious argument about future data analysis, when its already a mature industry more than a decade old.
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Your phone is as traceable as you want it to be, or completely untraceable if you want it to be, at least in the UK.
 
Otto42 said:
Exactly, this is a way to allow some return to normality and stability. COVID-19 in whatever guise is with us for the long term. I am no fan of the government, but this isn't about stopping people doing things, it's about allowing us to live a bit like we used to. Look at the trial for gigs etc...in Barcelona, without rapid testing and vaccine passports we have social distancing and intermittent lockdowns ad infinitum.
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Why aren't they using a passport system in Texas?

www.dailymail.co.uk

Texas' COVID numbers fall for the 17th day in a row after reopening

Texas COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations continue to see a downward trend more than two weeks after the state scrapped its mask mandate and allowed businesses to reopen.
www.dailymail.co.uk
 
BaronSmoggie said:
Unless you can quantify that, I'm going to call that out as rubbish.
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Anonymous prepaid sim would be one way. For complete anonymity a stealth sim.

You can do it on a normal phone but I am not going to spend time explaining it for you.

I'll await your apology baron😁
 
Laughing said:
Anonymous prepaid sim would be one way. For complete anonymity a stealth sim.

You can do it on a normal phone but I am not going to spend time explaining it for you.

I'll await your apology baron😁
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No apology forthcoming if you think a prepaid SIM is anonymous :)
 
Some people seem to be walking through life in total fear that their civil liberties are being eroded away, they spend a hell of a nervous energy on this.
 
BaronSmoggie said:
Unless you can quantify that, I'm going to call that out as rubbish.
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I work in technology you're chatting absolute nonsense.

Phones are as tracked as you want them to be and you choose to give data away.

Right now today you can go anywhere without said phone you're advocating changing that you mug and using the lazy excuse of 'it happens already' which is bull****.
 
Randy said:
Why aren't they using a passport system in Texas?

www.dailymail.co.uk

Texas' COVID numbers fall for the 17th day in a row after reopening

Texas COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations continue to see a downward trend more than two weeks after the state scrapped its mask mandate and allowed businesses to reopen.
www.dailymail.co.uk
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They have no answers they're just pricks Randy who retreat into 'if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear' rubbish.

They are the people our great grandfather's would despise.
 
Alvez_48 said:
I work in technology you're chatting absolute nonsense.

Phones are as tracked as you want them to be and you choose to give data away.

Right now today you can go anywhere without said phone you're advocating changing that you mug and using the lazy excuse of 'it happens already' which is bull****.
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I got this Alvez... 😁
 
Alvez_48 said:
I work in technology you're chatting absolute nonsense.

Phones are as tracked as you want them to be and you choose to give data away.

Right now today you can go anywhere without said phone you're advocating changing that you mug and using the lazy excuse of 'it happens already' which is bull****.
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I'll ignore the personal insult, I work in tech too (aren't we smart!). To buy a prepaid SIM, you have to (in most cases) show ID. Which part of that is incorrect. Sure you can buy stealth SIM's on the criminal market, but they can only make calls, not receive them. They do have the advantage of not always connecting to the closest cell tower, making triangulation nigh on impossible.

Going back to regular SIM's, you show ID to buy one, its tagged to the SIM number. Everytime you use it, triangulation happens on a cell tower. The link is plainly obvious in that the person with the phone can be tracked. I will concede that mandatory registration of prepaid SIM's was rejected by the UK, but that doesn't stop providers asking for it if they so wish, and a lot do.

If you think you can be totally anonymous while carrying a phone, I have some magic beans to sell you. If you both work in tech, then surely you know this. The adage, no system is perfect equally applies to phone tech.
 
BaronSmoggie said:
I'll ignore the personal insult, I work in tech too (aren't we smart!). To buy a prepaid SIM, you have to (in most cases) show ID. Which part of that is incorrect. Sure you can buy stealth SIM's on the criminal market, but they can only make calls, not receive them. They do have the advantage of not always connecting to the closest cell tower, making triangulation nigh on impossible.

Going back to regular SIM's, you show ID to buy one, its tagged to the SIM number. Everytime you use it, triangulation happens on a cell tower. The link is plainly obvious in that the person with the phone can be tracked. I will concede that mandatory registration of prepaid SIM's was rejected by the UK, but that doesn't stop providers asking for it if they so wish, and a lot do.

If you think you can be totally anonymous while carrying a phone, I have some magic beans to sell you. If you both work in tech, then surely you know this. The adage, no system is perfect equally applies to phone tech.
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You do not have to show I'd to buy a pure paid sim is not a legal requirement in the uk. So you are just plain wrong there baron. Stealth sims do allow the receiving of calls and can be legally bought in the uk so wrong again. Not only do they not always connect to the closest cell tower, they never connect to the closest cell tower.

Going back to prepaid sims, I can pick one up in tescos at the checkout.

You couldn't be more wrong.

Can I get my apology now? 😊
 
You do not have to show I'd to buy a pure paid sim is not a legal requirement in the uk
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I said that in my comment 'I will concede that mandatory registration of prepaid SIM's was rejected by the UK'

Stealth sims do allow the receiving of calls and can be legally bought in the uk so wrong again
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Some do, some don't. I could have worded that better.

Not only do they not always connect to the closest cell tower, they never connect to the closest cell tower.
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Probably could have worded that better too, you are correct they never do.

From your viewpoint using your Tesco analogy, it would appear that the phone use is anonymous. I'd counter that because each SIM hits a cell tower and has a unique ID, that data can be extrapolated and if the user was known, then it could be tied to them.

You want an apology, then fine, I'm so sorry for having a different view on a piece of tech.
 
BaronSmoggie said:
I said that in my comment 'I will concede that mandatory registration of prepaid SIM's was rejected by the UK'


Some do, some don't. I could have worded that better.


Probably could have worded that better too, you are correct they never do.

From your viewpoint using your Tesco analogy, it would appear that the phone use is anonymous. I'd counter that because each SIM hits a cell tower and has a unique ID, that data can be extrapolated and if the user was known, then it could be tied to them.

You want an apology, then fine, I'm so sorry for having a different view on a piece of tech.
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Fair play on the apology, it made me smile too, which is never a bad thing.

You can actually make your day to day phone almost anonymous lacking a court order but that would have taken a lot of arguing and explanation.
 
Now, I am no use whatsoever in understanding tech but if a passport was attached to a phone maybe it would exclude a lot of the older generation who do not have smart phones.

Also, I quite enjoy going out without my phone. But if I used contactless payment on my card I could sill be traced.
 
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