Do you think Vaccine passports should be needed to get into pubs?

I would think the yougov poll is more accurately representative of the public opinion. 58% in favour of vaccination passports, 92% in favour of rules being the same for vaccinated and non vaccinated.
 
JM14 said:
Need to remember twitter is mainly used by younger people though and is essentially an echo chamber on certain topics. 1 million could respond to that poll and its not representative

Any survey to see public opinion needs to use a sample from all aspects of society, not just those that post on twitter
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Which also puts the poll you posted in the same category then yes?
 
Randy said:
Which also puts the poll you posted in the same category then yes?
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The poll I posted wasn’t done via Twitter though, it takes a sample of people based on genders, religion, policitcs, age, location etc which is meant to give an overall representation of the country.
Yes the sample size isn’t huge, but it’s about as representative as you will get without sampling millions, which isn’t possible.
 
Randy said:
The census?
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Look at the costs involved in the census though, it’s not feasible to do that to get a sample of opinions for a matter that doesn’t really carry much importance.
Places like this yougov carry out these samples every day among a smaller sample size, only way to really get a fairly accurate public opinion that doesn’t cost millions
 
Doesn't really matter?

Edit, deleted reply, can't be arsed discussing life changing government dicktats implemented without a public vote with folks who's minds have already been made up.
 
Randy said:
Doesn't really matter?

Edit, deleted reply, can't be arsed discussing life changing government dicktats implemented without a public vote with folks who's minds have already been made up.
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They aren’t though, at no point has it even been suggested by the government that pubs will be forced to implement this. Seems likely that pubs will be given the option and rightly so, some will but the majority won’t. No big deal really
 
Randy said:
Eight thousand people took part in that survey.
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If you're implying that you don't think that gives a reliable result, then I don't think you really understand how polling (or statistics) works.

In a properly-conducted poll with a representative cross-section of the population including just 1,500 people, the sampling error will typically be around plus or minus 3% with a 95% confidence interval.

This means that statistically, there's a 95% chance that a poll of 1,500 people using valid methodology will give you results that are within 3 percentage points of the actual figure for the entire population.

With higher numbers, the margin of error is even smaller.

There's a fuller explanation on the link below.

How can a sample of only 1,000 or 2,000 possibly reflect the opinions of a nation within a 3% margin of error?
 
Liamo said:
If you're implying that you don't think that gives a reliable result, then I don't think you really understand how polling (or statistics) works.

In a properly-conducted poll with a representative cross-section of the population including just 1,500 people, the sampling error will typically be around plus or minus 3% with a 95% confidence interval.

This means that statistically, there's a 95% chance that a poll of 1,500 people using valid methodology will give you results that are within 3 percentage points of the actual figure for the entire population.

With higher numbers, the margin of error is even smaller.

There's a fuller explanation on the link below.

How can a sample of only 1,000 or 2,000 possibly reflect the opinions of a nation within a 3% margin of error?
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I understand fully. You get warped answers when questions are led.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1377288147273445381
 
Alvez_48 said:
Any thoughts on this @Liamo @JM14 ?

I found it laughable that you initially made out that a polling company could be trusted are you willing to reassess?
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I mean its a fact, some have suggest that and its likely to be the case to be honest. A polling company is about as representative as you will get for something like this. Similar set of results on a yougov survey as well which is interesting.

Not overly bothered either way personally, its not going to be forced on pubs or even been suggested that the government will force it either. Really dont know why people are so annoyed about it, some will use it, some wont.

Probably a better survey with the questions used, and still very similar results
yougov.co.uk

Most Britons support a COVID-19 vaccine passport system | YouGov

Britons are opposed to private companies being allowed to develop vaccine passports, however
yougov.co.uk yougov.co.uk
 
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JM14 said:
I mean its a fact, some have suggest that and its likely to be the case to be honest. A polling company is about as representative as you will get for something like this. Similar set of results on a yougov survey as well which is interesting.

Not overly bothered either way personally, its not going to be forced on pubs or even been suggested that the government will force it either. Really dont know why people are so annoyed about it, some will use it, some wont.

Probably a better survey with the questions used, and still very similar results
yougov.co.uk

Most Britons support a COVID-19 vaccine passport system | YouGov

Britons are opposed to private companies being allowed to develop vaccine passports, however
yougov.co.uk yougov.co.uk
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Read the entire report. When the question was reframed to "Do you think vaccinated people should have the same restrictions as unvaccinated" 92% said yes they should. I did post this about 2 or 3 pages back, stats as always can be used to support diametrically opposed arguments with a bit of framing.
 
I said ear;ier, this will never happen, it's unimplementable, unrealistic and the british public don't want it.
 
Laughing said:
Read the entire report. When the question was reframed to "Do you think vaccinated people should have the same restrictions as unvaccinated" 92% said yes they should. I did post this about 2 or 3 pages back, stats as always can be used to support diametrically opposed arguments with a bit of framing.
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Which is exactly what you have just done. Its a very broad question though, but when you look at the breakdown for this in different settings, it would suggest that people actually do favour this in certain settings more than others eg pubs.

I thought the public would have been very against it personally, just posted that link because outside of social media I think the reality is very different to what we see and hear on a daily basis
 
JM14 said:
Very broad question though, but when you look at the breakdown for this in different settings, it would suggest that people actually do favour this in some settings more than others
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It's not a very broad question at all, it deliberately removes "pubs" from the question to get a balanced response. It was framed that way for a reason. You cannot take one poll over the other, but balance your opinion on what the public want by using both sets of results.
 
Laughing said:
It's not a very broad question at all, it deliberately removes "pubs" from the question to get a balanced response. It was framed that way for a reason. You cannot take one poll over the other, but balance your opinion on what the public want by using both sets of results.
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Its not just pubs though, look at the results on hospitals, garden centres, restaurants, shops, gyms, carehomes etc. All have a fairly significant amount in support of the measures
 
JM14 said:
I mean its a fact, some have suggest that and its likely to be the case to be honest. A polling company is about as representative as you will get for something like this. Similar set of results on a yougov survey as well which is interesting.

Not overly bothered either way personally, its not going to be forced on pubs or even been suggested that the government will force it either. Really dont know why people are so annoyed about it, some will use it, some wont.

Probably a better survey with the questions used, and still very similar results
yougov.co.uk

Most Britons support a COVID-19 vaccine passport system | YouGov

Britons are opposed to private companies being allowed to develop vaccine passports, however
yougov.co.uk yougov.co.uk
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Literally from your link:-

'There does appear to be something of a contradiction in public opinion, however. A vaccine passport system inevitably involves allowing some Britons access to activities while depriving others. A separate YouGov survey recently found that, when asked whether those who have been vaccinated should or should not be subject to the same restrictions as everyone else, Britons are overwhelmingly of the view that they should (79%). Clearly, the way the concept is framed can have a huge impact on support.'


Polls aren't used to gauge public opinion they are used to influence it.
 
the_holgate_roof said:
Yes from me, why not create a safer environment for all, and why wouldn’t people want to have the vaccine, unless for some misguided principle or just to exercise a rite.
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What about people who haven't been offered a vaccine yet Holgate? Like 20s, 30s, etc? They have suffered loads in this... but seems like they are overlooked
 
Alvez_48 said:
Literally from your link:-

'There does appear to be something of a contradiction in public opinion, however. A vaccine passport system inevitably involves allowing some Britons access to activities while depriving others. A separate YouGov survey recently found that, when asked whether those who have been vaccinated should or should not be subject to the same restrictions as everyone else, Britons are overwhelmingly of the view that they should (79%). Clearly, the way the concept is framed can have a huge impact on support.'


Polls aren't used to gauge public opinion they are used to influence it.
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Thats a completely separate topic though, natural for people to say they should be subject to the same restrictions when such a low percentage of the population is currently fully vaccinated, expect that will change once more receive a vaccine . But thats a completely different question to asking about a vaccine passport, which if you look further into the link, the responses show a fair proportion agree with them in certain settings such as pubs
 
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