JM14
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How could any of us know that without seeing the day to day stuff?
Djed Spence deleted anything Boro related
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JM14
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For a 21 year old thats about expected, he was hardly going to shine under a Warnock or Woodgate. First good manager he played under has earned him a move to a champions league side. Doesnt that say everything?
Nosmo-King
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My worry is despite Spurs showing interest they are yet to bid for him. And all the other clubs - where have they disappeared to!? It seems this transfer will be a while In maturing
The_Lizards_Jumpers
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It says at least that he's not performed under two managers, and only performed under one perhaps.
It says he's potentially got a problem working with certain styles of managers perhaps.
It says he seemingly can't be "expected to perform" under certain managerial styles perhaps.
You also forgot to mention him being released by Fulham, supposedly because of his work ethic / attitude, so there's another manager he's not performed under.
The_Lizards_Jumpers
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Who has he signed for ?
starplayer
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He is obviously a jonny big ball5 but some people are like that. A good point made above by someone is that Cooper is probably the best manager he has played for and was able to get his message across to him. I can understand an autocratic style like Warnocks is not for everyone and he reacted badly to it. Woodgate gave him his chance but he threw that back in his face with his attitude and poor time keeping. Would have been interesting to see how wilder would have dealt with him but I preferred to watch Isaiah anyway so thanks for the money Djed.
Andy_W
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He's not moved to one yet, not played for one, not in the champions league/ latter stages when it matters, and they possibly won't end up in it next year.
He's got a long way to go to prove himself as good enough in the Premiership, never mind champions league.
I think anyone who buys him knows they're taking a bit of a gamble, but I suppose 15-20m to a CL qualifying team is small change, and they'd likely get half of it back no matter what happened.
At that level, most teams in England have 15-20m players sat on the bench.
Erimus74
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Buying club come back with a reduced offer, knowing the club are hoping to buy 3, 4 players with the Spence money
Contact Spenes agent to tell Spence to kick up a bit of a fuss to "hopefully/fingers crossed" force Boro's hand to taken the reduced offer & get rid of bad rubbish
Enter Gibbo whose seen it all all before & wil drag Spence back screaming & shouting into CW's 1at team
Gibbo wont fall for their gamesmanship
UTMB
Contact Spenes agent to tell Spence to kick up a bit of a fuss to "hopefully/fingers crossed" force Boro's hand to taken the reduced offer & get rid of bad rubbish
Enter Gibbo whose seen it all all before & wil drag Spence back screaming & shouting into CW's 1at team
Gibbo wont fall for their gamesmanship
UTMB
Alzi
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Standard with any transfer involving Spurs.
Didn't Ferguson say he enjoyed his hip surgery more than negotiating with Spurs and Levy?
JM14
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How many stood out in the Woodgate and Warnock sides, very few. Think thats more on the managers than the players.
At the level he is going to I doubt he will have to worry about working with the likes of Woodgate/Warnock again so it shouldnt matter too much
JM14
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He is about to though, yes its a bit of a gamble but most transfers are. Signing a 21 year old English RB who was one of the best players in the championship last season for less than 15/20 million is a fantastic deal for any side, think most would see that if they didnt let their irrational dislike of Spence get in the way
JM14
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They know were desperate to get rid, Spurs can happily sit until transfer deadline day. If we do that our main targets are likely gone and the majority of our signings wont have a pre season. Its a standard Spurs trick and hopefully more clubs come in to avoid that happening but we are stuck until he goes
Andy_W
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We're not that desperate, he's still got 2 years on his contract and seemingly loads of others interested, they don't seem to hold many of the cards, as we and the other clubs do, especially combined.
They can't wait until deadline day, as another club will likely get there before them, or we'll just hold on to him if it's too late to get the targets we want. It's not like we'll get a call at 111:30pm, sell him and just sit there with £15m in the bank, and a player down. He or Jones could probably play left hand side, they wouldn't be as effective, but it's not the end of the world and we need something on the left anyway.
We'd likely end up just arranging a transfer for the next window, and try and line our targets up for then. Whether that's worth 5m less or whatever is anyone's guess.
With the players we've lost, and what we can probably get without splashing cash, we would be in a better position this year than last regardless (and all of it with Wilder), so still be in the hunt, and a top striker in Jan would probably get us over the line.
Even worse case is borrowing against a future Spence sale, which would have some risk, but not a great deal/ £5m worth, I would expect.
I think they're just chancing their arm, but it is more likely to backfire for them (as far as their opinion of Spence), than us. It will end up agreed within a week I expect.
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Frozen Horse
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It's an action that lacks a bit of class, but who cares really?
Archiestephens_elbow
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Stick him in the reserves for the rest of his contract
BoroMart
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Doesn't he have a bit of a gangsta london entourage? Yeah, what could possibly go wrong.
BoroMart
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It's sys when the chips are down and the going gets tough, he isn't up to it. A lack of mental strength.