Sunderland Away Ticket Info

CarrickBall said:
Why is it?

If it matters that much to you, do something about it?

I had a (very short) amount of time working in the motor trade years ago. Worked every single weekend. Hated it. Missing the game was awful.

I changed my job so I could go.

Why you think the above example is awful and that the lad who is only able to attend half of the away games should get the same level of priority as someone that goes to every single one just because he has other commitments is mad. That's life.
Click to expand...
Why should someone have to change their livelihood when they’ve already bought a season ticket? A small tweak to a system which worked before would prevent him having to do that.
 
N
Sexpom said:
I think you’re clutching a bit there mate.
Click to expand...

Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
It's elitist, without a doubt. It's a system brought about by the club after lobbying from those who would benefit most.
Click to expand...
No it was brought about after listening to people who gave up a day's pay to support their team in Cardiff on a Tuesday night. It was brought in at the prospect of perhaps playing a play off away match at a ground like Bournemouth where there might be less than 2000 tickets available.
But this was not a scheme suddenly parachuted in 2 weeks before an away game at Sunderland. There have been 2 years for people to attend all the games and build up priority. I believe that is democratic, yes.
 
indeedido said:
Loyalty is very subjective.
I personally think someone who has had a season card for over 10 years and takes in a few away games every season is far more loyal than someone who has had a SC for 2 seasons and been to every away game this season.
The current points system prefers short term fans who travel away now and is self perpetuating in nature. It becomes a closed shop.

I always think of those who trudge out of grounds after demoralising performances at places like Reading, Coventry and Millwall this season and admire them, but what about the fan who was there when we got humped time and again at home under Strachan, Mowbray, Monk, pulis etc, let alone before that?

There is no right or wrong with subjectives. I just feel time served and money spent with your own club deserves most reward.
Click to expand...
Some good points made. I'm a long-term season ticket holder but admit I haven't been to an away game this season. I only attended one away game last season.

Some supporters will enjoy attending home games and not be too bothered about away games, some will have a season ticket but may prefer attending away games and may be quite happy to miss the odd home game. I actually had a mate who did this a few years back. To him it was more about having a day out with the lads or making a weekend of it, and at times attending the home games felt like a chore to him.

I really fancied Sunderland away this season and I'm a bit tempted to try and get a ticket in the home end if I'm honest. It's something I've never done before but I accept I have no chance of getting a ticket due to the points system.
 
Humpty said:
Why should someone have to change their livelihood when they’ve already bought a season ticket? A small tweak to a system which worked before would prevent him having to do that.
Click to expand...

The small tweak being... allow those that don't go to away games to support the team on the road because they either work/can't afford it/can't be arsed the same access to in demand tickets as those that commit their time and money following Boro everywhere?

Not fair and not going to happen.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
It's not a sacrifice, you're going because you enjoy it, it's a hobby.
Click to expand...

But you still have to make sacrifices to be able to do the thing you enjoy.

Cut back on other social spends to be able to afford it (no holiday, less nights out, etc etc etc).
Annual leave at work blasted with away midweek games.
Miss out on events in Teesside with friends/family as you're at the other end of the country.
Arguments with the Mrs because you're chasing Boro round the country every week and not spending time at home.
Moulding/pursuring a career that allows you time off every single weekend to go to games.

These are sacrifices that people make to ensure they're there every week supporting the team, home and away. Sacrifices that some aren't willing to make.. yet those people pop up twice a season on high demand ticket games crying because they can't get access to tickets.
 
Humpty said:
The club should support fans that buy season tickets. By utilising a priority points system they’re choosing to prioritise one set of season ticket holders over another.
Click to expand...
The club aren't prioritising anybody though, the individual fans are. The club don't prevent you going to most away games or cup games, the fans themselves are doing that by not attending as many away games / cup games.

It isn't a secret society with unknown rules, fans know if they want high demand tickets they'll need to do away and cup games.

People say it isn't fair for those who can't afford to go to away games, but that is just life. If the club said paper ticket sales from the stadium ticket office in one queue, first come, first served it wouldn't be fair for those who couldn't get there to wait for five or six hours.

There is no 100% 'fair' system, something needs to be used as free for alls in the past have meant the loyalest fans who have invested the most in to the club have missed out, is that 'fair'?
 
indeedido said:
Loyalty is very subjective.
I personally think someone who has had a season card for over 10 years and takes in a few away games every season is far more loyal than someone who has had a SC for 2 seasons and been to every away game this season.
The current points system prefers short term fans who travel away now and is self perpetuating in nature. It becomes a closed shop.

I always think of those who trudge out of grounds after demoralising performances at places like Reading, Coventry and Millwall this season and admire them, but what about the fan who was there when we got humped time and again at home under Strachan, Mowbray, Monk, pulis etc, let alone before that?

There is no right or wrong with subjectives. I just feel time served and money spent with your own club deserves most reward.
Click to expand...
How is it a closed shop when hardly any away games sell out before general sale?
 
No system is perfect and you're going to upset people no matter how you do it as it doesn't suit them. Corporate season card holders get priority its the same way now and has always been, x number of tickets are removed from the allocation and Corporate card holders have a chance to apply for them.

We had the system were the longest serving season card holders were given priority (from 1st season at the riverside and earlier), and you had younger fans complaining they could never catch up with that. The then brought in a system on a 2 season rolling points total, which people don't seem to like, as it doesn't suit them. If we then decided to have no loyalty scheme at all just a free for all with all season card holders, people would moan about that.

You will never please everybody, but the current system seems the fairest to me, and as said above its not been suddenly brought in 2 weeks before Sunderland. I can't remember off the top of my head any game that hasn't made general sale in ages. so its not restricting people getting points (unlike bigger clubs where it does seem unfair) I'd probably like to see it done over a longer period than 2 years, which would reward over a longer basis, maybe 4 years
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
Not everybody can afford to fork out for tickets and travel for more away games.

The system is elitist, I'm surprised at some of those in favour of a system discriminating against most season ticket holders.
Click to expand...
That's just utter boIIocks Corky. Where do you stop with who is an 'elite'? The ST itself is elitist by that argument to those who only go for a treat when they can afford it.Sadly enough regular football is a luxury for a large number of Teessiders.

Shall we do away with all ST packages and stand price differences then? Just have one price for everyone to pay on the gate individually?
 
10 away games last season 4 so far this season., plus cup games etc....195 points so probably miss out but I have no problem at all with the points system, way better than having nothing in place.
 
CarrickBall said:
But you still have to make sacrifices to be able to do the thing you enjoy.

Cut back on other social spends to be able to afford it (no holiday, less nights out, etc etc etc).
Annual leave at work blasted with away midweek games.
Miss out on events in Teesside with friends/family as you're at the other end of the country.
Arguments with the Mrs because you're chasing Boro round the country every week and not spending time at home.
Moulding/pursuring a career that allows you time off every single weekend to go to games.

These are sacrifices that people make to ensure they're there every week supporting the team, home and away. Sacrifices that some aren't willing to make.. yet those people pop up twice a season on high demand ticket games crying because they can't get access to tickets.
Click to expand...
I would urge Humpty and Cat to read this and get some understanding of those people on 240 pts. It is a long season. The miles are long. The time. The cost. The fixtures changable etc. It is a commitment that can often shape life and career choices.
 
fmttmadmin said:
No it was brought about after listening to people who gave up a day's pay to support their team in Cardiff on a Tuesday night. It was brought in at the prospect of perhaps playing a play off away match at a ground like Bournemouth where there might be less than 2000 tickets available.
But this was not a scheme suddenly parachuted in 2 weeks before an away game at Sunderland. There have been 2 years for people to attend all the games and build up priority. I believe that is democratic, yes.
Click to expand...
Although I can't see any other way of it working, it isn't really a fair system. People attending this game will be given priority points that will move them further ahead of people who are not successful in purchasing tickets, this gives them a further advantage the next time tickets are issued.

I don't know any other way that it could work though.
 
morrissey said:
10 away games last season 4 so far this season., plus cup games etc....195 points so probably miss out but I have no problem at all with the points system, way better than having nothing in place.
Click to expand...
Same here, I can accept losing out to someone with more points, fair play to them. But losing out because someone has a quicker laptop/ refreshed at the right time ,no thanks.
 
CarrickBall said:
Get another job then, mate, put simply!

I know you might think that sounds unfair and harsh but if you are unable to commit to travelling to away games every other week because of other commitments, that's life. You shouldn't get the same level of priority as those that do.

The sacrifices that those make weekly that travel all over should be rewarded.

It's like a fan without a season card (works every other Saturday so doesn't buy one) wanting the same walk up price that a season ticket holder gets pro rata with their season card. Not going to happen.
Click to expand...
Hi fair point but I will more than likely just give up my season ticket of over 10 years and buy away games on my sons ticket even tho may not go and go to watch the boro at home when home. This way we will build up points and one of us can go
 
I've been offered opportunity by a mate who's a Sunderland fan tickets for the home end,I just couldn't bring myself to do it as I know I couldn't keep quiet if we scored,something I'm pretty sure is going to happen.
 
indeedido said:
Loyalty is very subjective.
I personally think someone who has had a season card for over 10 years and takes in a few away games every season is far more loyal than someone who has had a SC for 2 seasons and been to every away game this season.
The current points system prefers short term fans who travel away now and is self perpetuating in nature. It becomes a closed shop.

I always think of those who trudge out of grounds after demoralising performances at places like Reading, Coventry and Millwall this season and admire them, but what about the fan who was there when we got humped time and again at home under Strachan, Mowbray, Monk, pulis etc, let alone before that?

There is no right or wrong with subjectives. I just feel time served and money spent with your own club deserves most reward.
Click to expand...

I agree for an overall definition of loyalty... and for home cup games you may have a point.

However, this is an AWAY game, so AWAY loyalty should be put first. I think the current point system for Sunderland is fair.

It wouldn't be fair on a supporter who's travelled up and down the country for the past 2 years going to 15-20 away games per season, to be placed behind a supporter who's had a season card for 10 years, but can only be bothered going to an away game when it's an hour up the road...

I am an example of the latter - I've been to every home game for 10+ years - but I've only been to 7 away games in that time period, mainly because I'm lazy and can't be bothered...

I would love to go to the Sunderland game, but I fully understand that there's 1000's of loyal away fans who deserve the ticket more than I do.
 
Canyoudigit said:
I've been offered opportunity by a mate who's a Sunderland fan tickets for the home end,I just couldn't bring myself to do it as I know I couldn't keep quiet if we scored,something I'm pretty sure is going to happen.
Click to expand...
I would go in, lots of Boro fans go in the past and kept quiet. Despite the blocks they have put in place I wouldn't be surprised if a few people haven't found ways around these they are just not publicising it on here.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top