This made me laugh.
Three word slogan ‘You Voted Tory’
How you’ve the cheek to call anyone else.
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This made me laugh.
Three word slogan ‘You Voted Tory’
How you’ve the cheek to call anyone else.
Maybe he lacks the mental capacity to understand what he voted for.
SmallTown
Well-known member
It's not the same. I think that's the point the ignorant brexit army miss. Its different problems, brexit has hit so many parts of British life. The cumulative effect of the damage is massive
pierrequiroule
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I'm afraid that's exactly how the British with a second home in France will see it. After a long battle the Senate voted in November for an automatic visa for British second home owners raising expectations that the decision would need only to be rubber-stamped by the Constitutional Council. They will be in shock and many have already said that they will sell up. There is no appeal process.
SmallTown
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Oh I forgot about the other orlbrm with brexiters. Insulting the person who points out the problems.
It's actually sad that you voted for something, belive in a cult and you do not even know why. You can't defend it yet you want to. I pity people like that.
Instead of Insulting me, trying and think of a benefit. I dare you
It's actually sad that you voted for something, belive in a cult and you do not even know why. You can't defend it yet you want to. I pity people like that.
Instead of Insulting me, trying and think of a benefit. I dare you
Norman_Conquest
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Don't get me wrong here I'm not defending Brexit but the 90 day rule is hurting a lot of French villages and communities with a lot of properties standing empty. The French Senate voted in favour of the extension late last year.
I will try and dig out the story in the Connexions News Paper.
Nobody is arguing against the problems. It is the dumb rhetoric you spout about Brexit voters being selfish, greedy bigots for voting Brexit without an ounce of self-reflection on how you as a Tory voter are exactly the same. You are a raging hypocrite. You know you don't dare acknowledge your Tory voting record in these topics because this is the one political point of view that you share with the majority on the board and the rest will turn on you and call you a selfish, greedy bigot the same way you talk about Brexit voters.
Nobody is interested in debating Brexit with you because you won't admit that the party that you voted with their sole election campaign built on the slogan Get Brexit Done are the ones responsible for anything. Your vote has equal weight, if not more, than the Brexit referendum itself. All the terrible decisions the Tories have made and the utter state the country is in is because selfish, greedy people like you voted for the Tories and not someone else. We've had two elections since the referendum and we'll be having a 3rd soon. At some point you have to realise the referendum isn't causing anything but the people currently behind the wheel, that you put there, are the ones to blame.
We'll listen to your bull**** about selfish, greedy bigots when you accept reality and shoulder the same blame for every other measure the country is failing on.
Unravel_Morrison
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They were never going to get it through without leaving Schengen which would do a lot more damage economically than having a few thousand empty properties in tourist villages. for much of the year.
I started working for a Dutch company who decided that they wanted to move more into the UK market. Half of the suppliers now won't despatch directly into GB, so an absolute waste of 6 months of my life.
Norman_Conquest
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I don't think this is going away and will be presented again at some point.
A new law allowing British second-home owners an ‘automatic long-stay visa’ right has been rejected by France’s Conseil constitutionnel along with many other sections of France's new immigration law.
However, it was rejected on a technicality rather than because the Conseil objected to the idea in itself.
Other aspects rejected by France's top constitutional watchdog included the creation of a new crime of being in France illegally and plans to toughen the rules governing immigrants bringing in family members.
The ideas had all been passed by both houses of the French parliament as part of the new immigration law. The final step was to pass scrutiny by the Conseil to ensure they are constitutional.
The Conseil, considering views presented by a group of left-wing MPs opposed to the second-home automatic visa, ruled that the idea's inclusion was contrary to article 45 of the Constitution. This says that amendments to a bill must be linked to the ideas proposed in the original text presented to parliament.
The 'automatic visa' was not in the original text presented by the government a year ago, but was added by Senator Martine Berthet as an amendment which was then adopted by the senators as a new bill article.
The Conseil, in its ruling, stated that it did not have a close enough link to any of the original bill articles, without going into any further analysis.
This fact alone made the bill article in question unconstitutional, the body said, however it stressed that it was taking no view as to whether the substance of the automatic visa idea itself goes against any part of the French Constitution.
Senator Berthet (Les Républicains, Savoie) had previously told The Connexion she hoped the link would be seen to be sufficiently clear as the bill relates to similar matters such as residency cards and border control.
Law aimed to ease visiting complications
Her automatic visa law aimed to ease the problems faced by thousands of Britons, most of whom bought a second home in France before Brexit and so under different visiting rules. Post-Brexit they face significant visa complications if wanting to visit their homes for more than three months at a time (each time they must apply for a 'temporary long-stay' visa under the same system as non-EU foreign people moving to France).The proposal aimed to allow these Britons to come to France without heavy formalities for more than three months at a time. Ms Berthet had said this was justified both by the Britons’ contributions to their French communities and the close links between the UK and France, as demonstrated by King Charles’s recent visit.
She called the decision “a real mess” [‘quel gâchis!’], adding that “instead of just sticking to its mission, the Conseil constitutionnel has decided to be political”.
There were positives
Ms Berthet said, however, that it was positive that the Conseil did not criticise the idea in itself and that the debates in parliament had raised awareness of the problems among many MPs, senators and the government.She said her party, Les Républicains, is disappointed that several of its proposals, including this one, were rejected either by the Conseil or at earlier stages of the bill. They will therefore be pressing for a new law on certain immigration matters, she said.
She will seek an opportunity to present the automatic visa again at that stage, or in any other related bill that allows for it.
In the meantime, Ms Berthet said she would speak to the Interior Ministry to see what could be done to make visa procedures for such second-home owners more flexible with a less complex measure, such as a ministerial decree.
“It was a first try that has not worked, but when we bring it back, it will be a subject that a lot of people already know more about. It allows us to move forward nonetheless and as soon as there is a new bill I will get going again,” she said.
She added she has also spoken with TLS-Contact, France’s contractors for visa appointments in the UK, about problems Britons have reported with the process.
They told her they were unaware of the issues but that there were "far too many visas being requested compared to the French consulate's capacity to deal with them", which Ms Berthet said "shows there's a problem somewhere".
Read more: Second homes – France’s automatic visa plan and the next steps
Steven Jolly, the founder of the France Visa Free Facebook group which pushes for visa-free visiting rights for Britons who live part-year in France, said: “Having campaigned relentlessly to bring about a change in French visa law, France Visa Free and its 5,000 followers are understandably disappointed by the decision.
“However, the council has not rejected the substance of Ms Berthet’s proposal. Instead it states it is irrelevant to the purpose of the original bill. Therefore the campaign has hit a temporary barrier.
“We have won support, our argument stands and our campaign continues.”
Other elements rejected from the immigration law
These elements of the immigration law were also among those rejected by the Conseil:- Several articles relating to the right of foreign people to join family members in France, notably:
2. their partner having to be aged at least 21 as opposed to 18, and
3. the family members being able to speak basic French.
- An article creating a délit (medium severity crime) of staying in France illegally
- Longer periods of living in France required for non-EU foreign people to access family allowance, housing benefit and benefit to help with autonomy needs
- Requiring young people born in France to foreign families having to apply to become French, as opposed to this being an automatic right
- Holding an annual debate about immigration in parliament, and setting immigration quotas
Littlejimmy
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Paraphrased maybe, but Brexit is like bricking up your windows to stop people looking in and then complaining that you can't see out.
The cognitive dissonance is a sight to behold. We've gone from "holding all the cards" and "sunlit uplands," to, "Oh well, I lived on cabbage and spam when I was a kid and it never hurt me (apart from the Ricketts)".
The cognitive dissonance is a sight to behold. We've gone from "holding all the cards" and "sunlit uplands," to, "Oh well, I lived on cabbage and spam when I was a kid and it never hurt me (apart from the Ricketts)".
SmallTown
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With all due respect. That is just a lie.
And I suspect the reason no brexiteer is interestedd in debating it is they know they can't We've asked for benefits, we've asked for some reasoning. Years later and it still hasn't been forthcoming. That's telling, no? Even brevets staunchest supporters on here can't explain why they still are. hence all the personal attacks and "just be quiet" memes.
But hey, if there is a reason behind this I'm all ears
But it isn't, is it? You voted for the Tories and they have made decision after decision that you are seemingly unhappy with and yet you lay the blame solely at Brexit voters, many of whom voted against the Tories in subsequent elections.
You are wrong that people don't want to debate about Brexit. The truth is they don't want to debate about Brexit with you.
Nobby_Barnes
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Your lack of self awareness is staggering....
festa5
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Or, as we've seen earlier in thread "I didn't vote for my benefit, I voted for the next generation to get the benefits when they finally kick in".
That'd be the next generation who overwhelmingly didn't want to leave the EU would it? The "will of the people" eh?
speckyget
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Leave Michael out of this. Haven't we suffered enough?
SmallTown
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Yes it was a lie. I admitted it was a mistake voting for the Tories. And what I am actually unhappy with is anyone who has seen how much the country has been affected but STILL defends the decisions they made to damage the country.
I believe I am correct. So try me: What do you see as the benefits, I have happily catalogued some of the many problems it is causing
Littlejimmy
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Bluddy millenniul falcons don't know what's good for 'em. Cuh. Cuh.
Nobby_Barnes
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You voted Tory based on the fact your local Tory MP gave 'better answers on IR35 issues'.
Your vote was cast based purely on your own selfishness and greed.....
Have a great weekend
People are sick of the way you react when we've had these discussions for 8+ years so don't be surprised that people won't engage with you now. Yes, you admitted it was a mistake to vote for the Tories but you don't accept that the majority of the things you say are bad about Brexit are things that the Tories have chosen to do/not to do. You refuse to accept that there is a difference between "impossible due to not being in the EU" and "not happening because the Tories have decided this should be the way". If before posting your weekly anti-Brexit articles you offered an opinion on whether it was because of Brexit or it was because of the government then you would get fair debate. Refusing to do that makes it utterly pointless.
There are benefits to not being part of the EU. The main one is obviously being in control of our own decision making processes. There are many negatives as well but mostly self-inflicted. Many of the benefits are unable to be realised due to the people making the decisions. Some of that is on both sides of the channel because there are still people in the EU that hold a grudge because of the way the negotiations went but when they leave and the Tories leave then new people without those prior sour relationships will be able to be more conciliatory and make changes that benefit everyone.
There are many benefits to things within the UK like the NHS but the way the Tories were running it you wouldn't think so either. You have to be able to separate mismanagement from impossible.