SmallTown
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So do you think the extra checks on food coming into place next week will be good pr bad for the economy?
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Stocko
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100% a troll
spamming the Boro messageboard with shyte
same usual suspects with a token gesture on a Boro thread
go on Luton’s message board and irritate them
SmallTown
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Do you think the extra checks on food coming into place next week will be good pr bad for the economy
Stocko
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SmallTown
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I mean I know you're trying to be funny. But that's kind of my point. Brexiteers always come across as selfish and unthinking.Im with @Ex Footy Legs, I also have enough money, and also don't care
Hence why I asked you a stra9ght question abkut food prices. It's kind of tragic thay even a stuacnh brexiter is happy to be paying more for food for no reason other than their own stubbornness but at least you acknowledge the failure of brexit. Even if its just that one of many
NYboro
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Got to love that 42% is a stonking majority
FishofContemplation
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I agree that you have repented of your vote in 2019, and there is more joy in heaven, etc. But you have never fundamentally accepted that this vote was materially and necessarily instrumental in delivering the Brexit we have.
It is an unarguable feature of our constitution that the only vote that was necessary to deliver Brexit was the election with a majority of a government committed to implement it. And that was what happened in 2019. I would accept that as a matter of practicality, if not of constitutional formality (since all the major parties had committed in some nebulous way to honour the result of the referendum) the referendum vote was also in practice a sine qua non. It was not in formal theory in the sense that we could have remained notwithstanding a pro Brexit vote and could still have left even if the referendum had gone the other way. But we would not in political reality have done either. Until and unless we elected a government committed to ignoring the referendum anyway.
Nevertheless, the ultimate formal and proximate cause of Brexit was the 2019 election result. And your side won. And mine didn’t. You need to show a bit more understanding of why those of us who voted against Brexit both in 2015 and in 2019 might just be a little p’d off with those who voted the other way in either of the votes, and then get all sanctimonious and lacking in self awareness about it. And in particular of those who voted the other way in 2019, because that has resulted in us being shafted not just by Johnson’s Brexit, but by all the other shambles that have followed. I, and many others with a similar set of views and voting history as I have I suspect, do not find it hard to engage with your incessant threads about Brexit because we disagree with your conclusions. We find it hard to engage because we rightly think it’s your fault and the fault of others who voted the way you did. And your refusal to accept this makes any debate sterile.
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SmallTown
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Uts an I wresting argument isn't it. You say that the brexit we have wouldn't have been possible without Tory mismanagement and corruption. I agree. But I could flip it around and say they wouldn't have been allowed to do that, had it not been for brexit. Chicken and egg but with a clear timeline
The Ruthsayer
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That’s not the point ST. The point was that those items you highlighted were all worst case scenarios and would have little impact on most people.
As a vegan, I’m happy that we might be importing less live animals and dairy. We also need to increase our food production the UK and be less reliant on imports. These restrictions may help that; though the increase in production needs to be undertaken in the right manner, of course.
I dont know it hasn't happened yet. Your claim was you are " showing " how bad things are.
What your actually doing is speculating how bad things might be.
My point to you is you should stick to facts not speculation.
FishofContemplation
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No, I think my point is more definite than that. Brexit would not have happened in the manner which you incessantly complain about if the Conservatives had not won a majority (or at least a minority on which they could rely on Brexit Party and DUP support) in 2019. Could not have happened. As a matter of constitutional formality. Because there would not have been a majority to vote for the necessary Act.
Other than the Brexit Party and arguably the DUP there is no other party that could credibly have won seats in that election that would have supported Johnson’s Brexit. So by voting for Johnson’s party, in an absolutely fundamental sense under our constitution, you supported Johnson’s Brexit. It would not have happened if Johnson had not won. And you voted for him and he won. Admittedly, not by one, but your side won.
I fully appreciate that the UK general election is a vote for a package and that you may have had other reasons for voting conservative, which did not relate to Brexit. And I fully appreciate that you have repented of at least some of these. Nevertheless, no party likely to win a credible number of seats has fought a more single issue election than the conservatives in 2019, since Sinn Fein a century earlier. It is no more credible to argue that you were pro EU and voted conservative in 2019, for personal tax reasons, then it would be to argue that you voted for Sinn Fein in 1918 despite being a unionist, merely because you liked their land tax policies.
That is what you don’t seem to accept. As far as any single election could be under our system, 2019 was the general election for hard Brexit and you voted for hard Brexit. If you could accept that we could have a sensible debate over who has repented from what and who still cleaves to former views. Until you do, I will continue to conclude that you are a hypocrite who is lashing out because of subconscious guilt.
SmallTown
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Nah I don't buy any of that. It's a very wordy way of attacking me so at least you have made that effort but I can't agree. I was firmly against brexit full stop. And it would have happened regardless. Yes, and I'll say this for the last them becasue I've repeated it too much, I regret voting tory and hate what they have done. But, I'm guessing here, you're a brexiter and yiu want to salve your conscience by blaming me instead of yourself. Fine. But without the brexit vote none of this would have happened none. So you can't blame the problems entirely on events which happened AFTER brexit was decided on
speckyget
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Yeah. When you're hurtling towards a brick wall you're still hurtling right? Let's not assume those bricks aren't marshmallows until we have evidence to the contrary.
SmallTown
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No but if you stop being a brexiter and actually think logically, do you THINK delays on good coming into the country will be positive or negative?
SmallTown
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Yes it's be asue from next weke they WILL (I.e. a fact) require health certificates and physical inspections.
So do you think they delays caused by these is going to make our food costs and cost ofnliving crisis better or worse? It's a simple question, yiu jsut need to think a bit that's all. Which I know isn't a brexit thing
Ex Footy Legs
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Badenoch came over the airwaves today and lied through her teeth saying they had signed 73 deals- which are just the same as we had with the eu, then she mentioned CCTTP and that this is where global growth is coming from and used an opportunity to have a dig at the growth of the eu.
All the rabid brexiteers would’ve loved it.
She doesn’t fool anyone with half a brain cell though.
Most of our ‘just in time’ food comes from the eu and it’s more expensive and there is less of it and the suppliers can’t get these products globally because it doesn’t work.
Badenoch doesn’t want to admit this though because it doesn’t fit her narrative….
Of keep out of the eu because they look at your taxes and we can’t embezzle if we have those pesky Europeans nebbing at our corrupt government
Ha clearly you didn't bother reading past the headline.Its not actually going to be implemented until OCTOBER not next week and the reason is SOME products have been upgraded to A MEDIUM RISK IS to protect our Bio-security.
Now I am no expert on Bio-security but those who are seem to think this measure is required to protect our farmers and their crops and as we are no longer a member of the European Union we can presumably make our own rules.
Had similar checks been in-place on Ash plants back in 2012 it could well of prevented the introduction of Ash Dieback into the UK.
Ash Dieback is estimated to cost the UK 15 Billion pounds. Considerably more than the 200 million you mention
So to answer your original question . Yes I do feel POSSIBLE delays are reasonable to ensure our Bio-security.
Of course my argument is mostly speculation but then again so is yours.
Now I am no expert on Bio-security but those who are seem to think this measure is required to protect our farmers and their crops and as we are no longer a member of the European Union we can presumably make our own rules.
Had similar checks been in-place on Ash plants back in 2012 it could well of prevented the introduction of Ash Dieback into the UK.
Ash Dieback is estimated to cost the UK 15 Billion pounds. Considerably more than the 200 million you mention
So to answer your original question . Yes I do feel POSSIBLE delays are reasonable to ensure our Bio-security.
Of course my argument is mostly speculation but then again so is yours.
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festa5
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I don't really want to pile on, but you can't really have been "against brexit full stop" and then gone on to vote for putting head honcho brexit idiot number 1 Boris Johnson in power. If you were as against brexit as others you wouldn't have gone anywhere near them.
One of the many many reasons I was so against brexit, was because this country has a depressing track record of returning tory governments. The EU, while not perfect, provided checks and balances against some of the more extreme ideology the tories have. This lot in particular were very open about looking forward to tearing up workers rights etc and the contempt they had for working people (Britannia unchained? ).
The unspoken part of "take back control" was "and give it to us, the entitled privileged elite".
The last thing any remainer concerned about the consequences of brexit should have been doing, was voting to allow them to put them in power.