Gueye refused to wear Rainbow shirt

I remember so well working in Saudi and having to remove my saint Christopher pendant, and then realizing my predicament of being in a country that doesn’t have the same values or same views as mine. Ok, I stayed because of my contract was binding and therefore I just had to focused on my own well-being and put my beliefs in my own lockbox.

Unfortunately the price to pay for following (other) rules is that you have to give up your own principals, and with it perhaps you become a lesser person for it.

It could mean for those with other beliefs that they’re destined to live in their own bubble forever and suffer through no fault of their own persecution at the hands who demand that their way is the only way.

Let people have the the freedom to decide.
 
Religion is often treated with disdain and ridicule on here ‘ believing in fairies at the bottom of the garden’. The tenets of my faith teach a particular position on the construct of the family. People will vehemently disagree with this which is their right, the same as it my right to believe. This is what my faith promotes. My faith also teaches respect and tolerance and understanding for every person - we are all made in the image and likeness of God. I think it is wonderful that kids are able to be raised in loving families, irrespective of how they are constructed including mam and mam and dad and dad. That the kids are happy is the important thing. This doesn't however remove my right to practise and promote my faiths teachings. That I am able to do so is thankfully protected by legislation.
 
Duffman said:
Religion is often treated with disdain and ridicule on here ‘ believing in fairies at the bottom of the garden’. The tenets of my faith teach a particular position on the construct of the family. People will vehemently disagree with this which is their right, the same as it my right to believe. This is what my faith promotes. My faith also teaches respect and tolerance and understanding for every person - we are all made in the image and likeness of God. I think it is wonderful that kids are able to be raised in loving families, irrespective of how they are constructed including mam and mam and dad and dad. That the kids are happy is the important thing. This doesn't however remove my right to practise and promote my faiths teachings. That I am able to do so is thankfully protected by legislation.
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... And you talk about "woke terrorists"?
 
Pembroke said:
You did not answer the questions. Take the letter I = Intersex. Thats a misnomer. People are not intersex, its a trendy term used for differences in sexual development, there is no third sex as those from certain political perspectives want people to believe.

T = transgender is not sexuality. Gender is not sex. You there make a point about fairness and equality what does that mean? Do you support trans women accessing single sex spaces, do you feel women with penises are female?

What happens if you disagree? Are you compelled to take part in something you do not agree with agree with or understand? Is that fair? Is that equal?

Consider the player, and now players cultural backgrounds. They are not from the UK or France. Are these individuals not allowed to hold differing cultural and religious beliefs?
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No transgender isn't a sexuality, you're right on that. It's a gender. Do you believe people who are transgender should be treat differently? Do you think they should face prejudice?

As far the player: if your religious beliefs are prejudicial to people then yes, it's right the challenge these beliefs. Especially if they live in a country that is trying to address the issue of prejudice against the LGBTQ+ community which I presume France is. That's the second time this week I've had cause for concern about your homophobia. Why do you believe you should be allowed to treat people worse than others?
 
Duffman said:
Expect the whole Woke terrorists on here will leap on this but What is his sin? I didn’t think he said anything derogatory, showed a lack of respect or understanding for the LGBT community in his actions. I thought he simply chose not to wear an additional symbol on his shirt because it promoted something he personally didn’t wish to promote on religious grounds. Alongside sexual orientation and race, religion is a also a protected characteristics . You can have understanding, and respect for you fellow man but when it comes to LGBTQ unless you are willing to openly promote and show your support you are someone to be vilified, castigated and cancelled, removing your ability to make a living. This isn’t because of anything you said but because you chose not to wear a rainbow badge. When did that become an unforgivable act? Are those who don’t take the knee facing such similar treatment - of course not. We need education and discussion on issues like this . It is precisely the attitude on here that is polarising opinion in the UK and actually further dividing rather than supporting the needs of those marginalised in society.
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At the risk of opening a can of worms there are a lot of individuals who (correctly) desire equality and (rightly) won’t tolerate discrimination except (wrongly) when they don’t believe in the cause/right of other groups of people seeking the same. It is a minefield.

The issue to me is that he should have been brave enough to state why he didn’t want to wear the shirt, which would then allow a debate to happen. Instead it’s been brushed under the carpet (by whom we don’t know).

I’d also mention that religion (imo) is an option. Sexuality and race are not - therefore the debates are different. You can opt in or out of religious beliefs, you cannot opt out of race or sexuality so different lenses need to be applied.

Not trying to be contentious or label anyone.
 
Expat Smoggie said:
I remember so well working in Saudi and having to remove my saint Christopher pendant, and then realizing my predicament of being in a country that doesn’t have the same values or same views as mine. Ok, I stayed because of my contract was binding and therefore I just had to focused on my own well-being and put my beliefs in my own lockbox.

Unfortunately the price to pay for following (other) rules is that you have to give up your own principals, and with it perhaps you become a lesser person for it.

It could mean for those with other beliefs that they’re destined to live in their own bubble forever and suffer through no fault of their own persecution at the hands who demand that their way is the only way.

Let people have the the freedom to decide.
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Belief is different to human characteristics, you can’t really choose not to believe in sexuality, you can’t really take it off.
 
Subbuteo_171 said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Gueye refused to wear PSG shirt with rainbow symbol

Paris St-Germain's Idrissa Gueye refused to play in a match to avoid wearing a rainbow symbol in support of LGBTQ+ rights BBC Sport understands.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Appaling.
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Should be charged by his club, the French FA, UEFA and FIFA for bringing the game into disrepute, if these institutions are actually serious about equality and routing out prejudices
 
SmallTown said:
No transgender isn't a sexuality, you're right on that. It's a gender. Do you believe people who are transgender should be treat differently? Do you think they should face prejudice?

As far the player: if your religious beliefs are prejudicial to people then yes, it's right the challenge these beliefs. Especially if they live in a country that is trying to address the issue of prejudice against the LGBTQ+ community which I presume France is. That's the second time this week I've had cause for concern about your homophobia. Why do you believe you should be allowed to treat people worse than others?
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You dont understand the meaning of the word homophobia. How is not talking about sexuality in this thread homophobic? I specifically referred to sex and gender, not sexuality. You are displaying your prejudice, not mine, again.

Do I believe trans women should be treated differently to women? Yes. I do not believe trans women should have the same sex based rights as women. Do I believe trans women should face the same discrimination males do to uphold womens sex based rights, yes, You may also want to clarify what you mean by transgender, trans can refer to individuals with differing sexual organs but identifying as the same gender. You may want to think about issues like safeguarding, and if a percentile of trans women display male sexual offending patterns.

Do you believe trans rights should be elevated about women’s sex-based rights? Are you a misogynist?

Why do you believe trans rights should be elevated about the protected characteristics of religion? Are you a Islamophobe?

These players are black, another protected characteristic. Are you a racist?

Challenge by the way in regards to freedom of speech is not punitive. The player/players ideals and beliefs should not be punished.
 
Pembroke said:
You dont understand the meaning of the word homophobia. How is not talking about sexuality in this thread homophobic? I specifically referred to sex and gender, not sexuality. You are displaying your prejudice, not mine, again.

Do I believe trans women should be treated differently to women? Yes. I do not believe trans women should have the same sex based rights as women. Do I believe trans women should face the same discrimination males do to uphold womens sex based rights, yes, You may also want to clarify what you mean by transgender, trans can refer to individuals with differing sexual organs but identifying as the same gender. You may want to think about issues like safeguarding, and if a percentile of trans women display male sexual offending patterns.

Do you believe trans rights should be elevated about women’s sex-based rights? Are you a misogynist?

Why do you believe trans rights should be elevated about the protected characteristics of religion? Are you a Islamophobe?

These players are black, another protected characteristic. Are you a racist?

Challenge by the way in regards to freedom of speech is not punitive. The player/players ideals and beliefs should not be punished.
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You're very confused. I guess that's the problem with homophobes. You honestly don't seem to understand how p[prejudiced, outdated and nasty your views are. This genuinely shocks me in 2022, that someone could not "get" it yet. Quiet stunning that you still think trans women should be treat differently. We still have a long way to go don't way. Which is why that campaign in France was so important and why it's bad a high profile sportsman has refused to participate.

I didn't once say that trans rights should be elevated ABOVE the rights of others, that's the bit you have got wrong, making all your questions silly and pointless (I guess, deep down, you know this). I believe they should be treat equally. It's not hard concept to grasp is it? Human's should be judged and treat according to their actions, not by what is between their legs, or was between their legs, or what they like between the legs of their partners. And whatever colour skin they have. Equality. You have made the mistake in thinking I put Trans rights above others. I don't

Oh an as for being racist, that's another thing you are incorrect, if these players were Yellow, White, Brown, Greenlandic I'd treat them with exactly the same contempt.
 
SmallTown said:
You're very confused. I guess that's the problem with homophobes. You honestly don't seem to understand how p[prejudiced, outdated and nasty your views are. This genuinely shocks me in 2022, that someone could not "get" it yet. Quiet stunning that you still think trans women should be treat differently. We still have a long way to go don't way. Which is why that campaign in France was so important and why it's bad a high profile sportsman has refused to participate.

I didn't once say that trans rights should be elevated ABOVE the rights of others, that's the bit you have got wrong, making all your questions silly and pointless (I guess, deep down, you know this). I believe they should be treat equally. It's not hard concept to grasp is it? Human's should be judged and treat according to their actions, not by what is between their legs, or was between their legs, or what they like between the legs of their partners. And whatever colour skin they have. Equality. You have made the mistake in thinking I put Trans rights above others. I don't

Oh an as for being racist, that's another thing you are incorrect, if these players were Yellow, White, Brown, Greenlandic I'd treat them with exactly the same contempt.
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You didnt answer any of the questions, again.

The point about trans women was they are treated differently as are other members of society by law, we can discrimate - Equality act. Try answering some of the questions I posed.

If you believe trans women have a right to access female only spaces you have elevated right. Trans rights there ursurps womens sex based rights. You put trans right above others.

Not making points about sexuality, is not homophobic. Literally that cannot be true .. Yes you are very confused.
 
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BoroMart said:
because all those organisations to which he is registered to are against prejudices. It's now industry practice to not be homophobic
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And playing football in Countries that?

Under French law the player is entitled to his religious beliefs.
 
Pembroke said:
You didnt answer any of the questions, again.

The point about trans women was they are treated differently as are other members of society by law, we can discrimate - Equality act. Try answering some of the questions I posed.

If you believe trans women have a right to access female only spaces you have elevated right. Trans rights there ursurps womens sex based rights. You put trans right above others.

Not making points about sexuality, is not homophobic. Literally that cannot be true .. Yes you are very confused.
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I did answer your questions. Apologies if you didn't understand the answer. What can I clarify for you?

Given I've corrected you when you said I put trans rights above others, and you've ignored that already, it may be a long and painful conversation but I'm happy to help educate you.

Which questions do you feel I haven't answered?
 
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