Gueye refused to wear Rainbow shirt

I'm fine with him making a choice to not play to avoid a personal conflict. I don't have to agree with his reasons behind it.

TBF to him he didn't make a public fuss about it himself, he followed the old adage of "if you have nothing good to say, don't say anything"

The media decided to make this public to create a villain, and that successfully hooked the fish to perpetuate the story.
 
Mr Maz said:
TBF to him he didn't make a public fuss about it himself, he followed the old adage of "if you have nothing good to say, don't say anything"
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On reflection, I think this example demonstrates why I'm against poppies and symbols routinely being printed on shirts.

If a player wears it, it loses meaning. It was nothing to do with their decision, so who knows if they sincerely support the movement?
If he chose to opt in, we'd know he genuinely supported the movement.

By making wearing the symbol the default position, it forces a player to actively identify as opposing the cause and that, in turn, causes anger.

I applaud the taking of the knee. I support that movement.
I despise those who boo it.
But there is a middle ground which is to stand in respectful silence.

Making wearing a symbol the default position removes the middle ground. While I support taking of the knee, I don't think anyone should be required or forced to applaud it, should they?
 
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Frozen Horse said:
On reflection, I think this example demonstrates why I'm against poppies and symbols routinely being printed on shirts.

If a player wears is, it loses meaning. It was nothing to do with their decision, so who knows if they sincerely support the movement.
If he chose to opt in, we'd know he genuinely supported the movement.

By making wearing the symbol the default position, it forces a player to actively identify as opposing the cause and that, in turn, causes anger.

I applaud the taking of the knee. I support that movement.
I despise those who boo it.
But there is a middle ground which is to stand in respectful silence.

Making wearing a symbol the default position removes the middle ground. While I support taking of the knee, I don't think anyone should be required to applaud it, should they?
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I agree. I don't think that players should be the one's to display symbols because their management and owners decide they should.

In this case, The Emir of Qatar.
 
I am struggling to see what the player has done wrong here.

He has a set of religious beliefs and comes from a culture very different to ours. He hasn't, as far as I am aware, criticized anyone else, and he is entitled to his belief system, providing he doesn't insult, marginalize or harm anyone else. As far as I can tell he has done none of those things.

Whilst most in the western world are turning away from religion, huge parts of the world have not, and if their belief system believes that same sex marriages are wrong, let them believe that, providing it is done with respect.
 
Laughing said:
I am struggling to see what the player has done wrong here.

He has a set of religious beliefs and comes from a culture very different to ours. He hasn't, as far as I am aware, criticized anyone else, and he is entitled to his belief system, providing he doesn't insult, marginalize or harm anyone else. As far as I can tell he has done none of those things.

Whilst most in the western world are turning away from religion, huge parts of the world have not, and if their belief system believes that same sex marriages are wrong, let them believe that, providing it is done with respect.
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As pointed out earlier, he had no probs displaying online betting and an Alcoho brand - but I know what you mean.
It might be worth considering that he probably has family living in Senegal and that he may plan to live there again in the future - not sure of the situation there but it could be that his family might face retribution??
 
Wiseman_Vaughn said:
As pointed out earlier, he had no probs displaying online betting and an Alcoho brand - but I know what you mean.
It might be worth considering that he probably has family living in Senegal and that he may plan to live there again in the future - not sure of the situation there but it could be that his family might face retribution??
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That may well play a part. Ultimately he comes from a very different culture.one most of us don't really understand. He has said nothing, as far as I can see and he is entitled to his belief system, regardless of what anyone else thinks. He hasn't broken the law and if the news outlets had left this alone we wouldn't even be discussing it. As AM says this just highlights the issue and gets folks talking about it, no bad thing.
 
This thread is an example of the offended LGBT militia once again looking to be horrified by another example that actually isn’t there for them to throw their arms up in horror about. Just because people don’t forcibly promote the LGBT community does not automatically mean they are the enemy. There are plenty of real cases of blatant discrimination and prejudice against people of race , religion or sexual orientation for people to rightly call out and be angry or outraged about. This type of case however is increasingly polarising the argument on LGBT when the rights of one vociferous and aggressive group of supporters seeks to impose their will on another group. Nobody on this thread has said they do not respect the rights of the LGBT community. Nobody including the player himself has said anything derogatory or prejudicial against the LGBT community yet folk would like to see the player banned - cast out and made an example of - for what? The world has gone mad
 
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This thread is an example of the offended LGBT militia once again looking to be horrified by another example that actually isn’t there for them to throw their arms up in horror about. Just because people don’t forcibly promote the LGBT community does not automatically mean they are the enemy. There are plenty of real cases of blatant discrimination and prejudice against people of race , religion or sexual orientation for people to rightly call out and be angry or outraged about. This type of case however is increasingly polarising the argument on LGBT when the rights of one vociferous and aggressive group of supporters seeks to impose their will on another group. Nobody on this thread has said they do not respect the rights of the LGBT community. Nobody including the player himself has said anything derogatory or prejudicial against the LGBT community yet folk would like to see the player banned - cast out and made an example of - for what? The world has gone mad
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"Woke terrorists" "LGBT militia"

I think you need to have a long hard look at yourself mate. People are asking for equality and you give them ludicrous and over the top epithets.

Why are you so offended by people wanting other people to be treat equally?
 
NYboro said:
Once again, enough said. You keep showing your true colours with your choice of words.
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That's the issue isn't it? You can tell he's actually taking offence that people should want equality. If he wasn't and it really was a freedom of speech issue, his language wouldn't be so dramatic, so deliberately confrontational. Words Like "terrorist" and "militia" wouldn't be used.
 
Duffman said:
Expect the whole Woke terrorists on here will leap on this but What is his sin? I didn’t think he said anything derogatory, showed a lack of respect or understanding for the LGBT community in his actions. I thought he simply chose not to wear an additional symbol on his shirt because it promoted something he personally didn’t wish to promote on religious grounds. Alongside sexual orientation and race, religion is a also a protected characteristics . You can have understanding, and respect for you fellow man but when it comes to LGBTQ unless you are willing to openly promote and show your support you are someone to be vilified, castigated and cancelled, removing your ability to make a living. This isn’t because of anything you said but because you chose not to wear a rainbow badge. When did that become an unforgivable act? Are those who don’t take the knee facing such similar treatment - of course not. We need education and discussion on issues like this . It is precisely the attitude on here that is polarising opinion in the UK and actually further dividing rather than supporting the needs of those marginalised in society.
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'Woke terrorists? WTF?
 
A homophobe being defended by homophobes.

His reputation will rightly suffer for it.
Senegal being a homophobic country doesn't excuse him bring homophobic, it just explains why he might be.
 
TeaCider said:
A homophobe being defended by homophobes.
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Really TC? I have a couple of issues with this. Firstly nothing the player has done, as far as I can see, would label him a homophobe. Secondly, supporting a persons right to a belief system doesn't make anyone else a homophobe. if his stance is purely religious. he may well be ambivalent about same sex relationships or even supportive, but comes from a background that is very different to yours or mine where it is frowned upon to voice those opinions. We don't all come from a culture where it is easy to voice certain opinions.

See Jim jeffries routine about his "woke as f*ck" dad.
 
Laughing said:
Really TC? I have a couple of issues with this. Firstly nothing the player has done, as far as I can see, would label him a homophobe. Secondly, supporting a persons right to a belief system doesn't make anyone else a homophobe. if his stance is purely religious. he may well be ambivalent about same sex relationships or even supportive, but comes from a background that is very different to yours or mine where it is frowned upon to voice those opinions. We don't all come from a culture where it is easy to voice certain opinions.

See Jim jeffries routine about his "woke as f*ck" dad.
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Repeatedly refusing to support a charity whose only purpose is to champion equality and fight intolerance is homophobic.

If their belief system is homophobic, it doesn't stop it being homophobia.
 
TeaCider said:
Repeatedly refusing to support a charity whose only purpose is to champion equality and fight intolerance is homophobic.

If their belief system is homophobic, it doesn't stop it being homophobia.
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I am a bit disappointed TC. You are applying western values to someone from an afro-eurasian background. Does he have a dislike or is prejudicial to gays? I don't know. Being religiously opposed to same sex relationships is not the same as holding prejudicial or negative views of gay people. The difference is subtle but it exists.

You may want to consider what supporting the movement would mean to the individual and his family. You may even want to consider what your views would be if you were raised in the same way as him. Perhaps walk a mile in his shoes before you presume to know what he thinks and why he thinks it.

The same should be applied to suggesting I am a homophobe too. You know nothing about me.
 
Laughing said:
I am a bit disappointed TC. You are applying western values to someone from an afro-eurasian background. Does he have a dislike or is prejudicial to gays? I don't know. Being religiously opposed to same sex relationships is not the same as holding prejudicial or negative views of gay people. The difference is subtle but it exists.

You may want to consider what supporting the movement would mean to the individual and his family. You may even want to consider what your views would be if you were raised in the same way as him. Perhaps walk a mile in his shoes before you presume to know what he thinks and why he thinks it.

The same should be applied to suggesting I am a homophobe too. You know nothing about me.
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Religious homophobia is still homophobia.
Wanting to deny rights to somebody because of their sexuality is prejudicial.

If someone was raised in a racist household and held racist views, they'd still be a racist despite it being down to their upbringing.
 
TeaCider said:
Religious homophobia is still homophobia.
Wanting to deny rights to somebody because of their sexuality is prejudicial.

If someone was raised in a racist household and held racist views, they'd still be a racist despite it being down to their upbringing.
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Your not really reading what I am writing are you. You have no idea what drove the guys choices. You assume he is a homophobe as an I. You are completely wrong on at least one of those assumptions.
 
Laughing said:
Your not really reading what I am writing are you. You have no idea what drove the guys choices. You assume he is a homophobe as an I. You are completely wrong on at least one of those assumptions.
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I am reading what you're writing.

You're saying he might be justified in his choice to oppose wearing a symbol of equality because of his cultural upbringing or religion.
I'm saying that it doesn't make it justifiable.
 
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