Gyokeres to Rangers

There was a thread on here where some poster said the teams we beat on the way to the uefa cup final weren't very special, and everyone dogpiled.

Now we've got a thread where the uefa cup winner of last year couldn't compete in the championship.

So which is it? Is reaching the uefa cup final a piddling achievement which could easily be achieved by a mid ranking championship side, or is it an achievement to be proud of?

Personally I think that while I may have mocked Scottish football in the past, reaching the uefa cup final is scorchingly obvious proof that they are far better than a mid table championship team.
 
UTB70 said:
Rangers with current squad would struggle in champo but with their support, extra income and being in english league long term with better players and a manager that knows what hes doing theyd surely be a force in the premier league. Then im sure a saudi takeover like newcastle would propel them further. Theyve got everything bar quality of players and being in a competitive league. No guarantee theyd win trophies mind, newcastle have big support but won nothing for years.
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As a comparison. 2021-22 season. Our turnover £27m. Rangers' turnover £87m.
They are massively wealthier than us right now.
Of course, neither of us even starts to compete with a bottom-end Premier league team. e.g. Wolves' turnover at the same time £166m.

As it stands, Rangers have an income roughly on a par with a parachute payment team in the Championship. If they were properly run, you would expect them to be challenging for the playoffs at the very least. As others have said, their "problem" is that the vast majority of games they play are against teams that are EFL league one standard. They can win most of those without having to push themselves. This means their players don't generally improve much.

Put Rangers and Celtic in the Championship and they would be promoted within 3 years and have a decent shout at establishing themselves in the Premier league.
 
I like Rangers a lot.

Their squad from last season would not have finished above half way in the Championship last season. They are awful. Only Tavernier at RB would have improved our team and we got nowhere near 2nd in the end.
Celtic would have possibly made the play offs IMHO.

Both clubs, given consistent PL revenues would do very well in the PL. They are massive clubs, with global fanbases.
But outside the PL they would generate no more than Parachute Payment clubs do and they would obviously forego the European fixtures they get guaranteed every single year.
I think they would eventually both go up, but find it as difficult to survive the first few seasons as everyone else does.

The Championship generates more revenue than the entire Scottish leagues, let alone the SPL.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
There was a thread on here where some poster said the teams we beat on the way to the uefa cup final weren't very special, and everyone dogpiled.

Now we've got a thread where the uefa cup winner of last year couldn't compete in the championship.

So which is it? Is reaching the uefa cup final a piddling achievement which could easily be achieved by a mid ranking championship side, or is it an achievement to be proud of?

Personally I think that while I may have mocked Scottish football in the past, reaching the uefa cup final is scorchingly obvious proof that they are far better than a mid table championship team.
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They didn't win it, but reaching the Europe League final is a massive achievement.

Nobody's said they couldn't compete, people are saying they wouldn't walk the league with their current squad, and they wouldn't.

This season they floundered in the league under the same manager that got them to that final, and they had their worst ever European campaign, so it's clearly not the same from season to season.
 
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Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
There was a thread on here where some poster said the teams we beat on the way to the uefa cup final weren't very special, and everyone dogpiled.

Now we've got a thread where the uefa cup winner of last year couldn't compete in the championship.

So which is it? Is reaching the uefa cup final a piddling achievement which could easily be achieved by a mid ranking championship side, or is it an achievement to be proud of?

Personally I think that while I may have mocked Scottish football in the past, reaching the uefa cup final is scorchingly obvious proof that they are far better than a mid table championship team.
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It's a cup competition. The best teams don't always win cup competitions. Championship teams have reached the FA Cup final (2 in the last 20 years have managed that and many more have got to semi finals (Sheff Utd this season)). Grimsby got to the quarters this season and they finihed 7th in the national league the previous season.

It's still a huge achievement but it doesn't really tell you how good a team they are.
 
Yeah so I'm sure that Coventry would be able to beat borussia Dortmund over 2 legs. The Coventry everyone reckoned was *****. They also knocked out Eintract Frankfurt.
Losing finalists either side of them were Roma and Manchester United.
Getting to the uefa cup final means you are a better team than Coventry.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
Yeah so I'm sure that Coventry would be able to beat borussia Dortmund over 2 legs. The Coventry everyone reckoned was *****. They also knocked out Eintract Frankfurt.
Losing finalists either side of them were Roma and Manchester United.
Getting to the uefa cup final means you are a better team than Coventry.
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They got beat by Eitracht in the final but you’re right in what you’re saying.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
Yeah so I'm sure that Coventry would be able to beat borussia Dortmund over 2 legs. The Coventry everyone reckoned was *****. They also knocked out Eintract Frankfurt.
Losing finalists either side of them were Roma and Manchester United.
Getting to the uefa cup final means you are a better team than Coventry.
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You are comparing the wrong seasons.
Last season Rangers did well to get past PSV to make the Group stage of the Champions League, having finished 2nd in the 2 team SPL.
They promptly stank the ground out so badly they played 6 matches, lost 6, scored twice and conceded 22.
They were so bad they couldn't even drop into the safety net of the Europa League.
They then finished 2nd again in the 2 team SPL.

Coventry finished 5th in the Championship and made the Play off Final, only to lose on penalties.

I watch a lot of Rangers and they are a smelly team right now. Rentokill has been in Ibrox for a long while.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
Yeah so I'm sure that Coventry would be able to beat borussia Dortmund over 2 legs. The Coventry everyone reckoned was *****. They also knocked out Eintract Frankfurt.
Losing finalists either side of them were Roma and Manchester United.
Getting to the uefa cup final means you are a better team than Coventry.
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It really doesn't. We beat Man Utd and Tottenham last season. Coventry were a penalty kick away from being a PL team. West Ham just won a European trophy, they finished 14th on 40 points in the PL so they aren't a top European side. They have also exceeded expectations. That happens in cup competitions. Other than Leicester it rarely happens in leagues.

We were the top scorers in the championship this season. We scored no goals against Coventry in the playoffs and only 1 goal in all 4 games we played against them. Things don't always go as you'd expect.

It was a massive achievement but you can't draw any conclusions about how good a team they are.
 
TeaCider said:
The current Celtic side, maybe on a good day, but half the current Rangers squad is made up of Scottish players* or cast-offs from the Championship.
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I tend to agree. If you look at players in the Rangers squad who have played in England :
Butland - good start but eventually struggled at Stoke;
Tavernier couldn't hold a first team shirt at a host of League One clubs like Wigan and Shrewsbury;
Lundstrum largely played in the lower leagues couple of decent seasons at Sheff Utd;
Goldston played almost all of his career at Shrewsbury;
Davies - decent player back in the day but 38 and still playing;
Tom Lawrence, midtable champ player;
Cantwell talent that lost his way;
Kemar Roofe couldn't hack it at Leeds, league one player......they'd be a bottom half champ side.
 
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Absolutely you can. If you get to a uefa cup final, you are a good side.

I don't see Coventry making it out of the group stage of the champions league either.

West ham are a much better team than Coventry and won a lower ranking European trophy so I'm not sure what point that is making.
 
Bruce said:
Put Rangers and Celtic in the Championship and they would be promoted within 3 years and have a decent shout at establishing themselves in the Premier league.
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that's a different point to the current ability level. If they did join the championship, they'd have to sell off some players as their income would dramatically reduce. Eventually their large gates would get them up. But it's irrelevant if we are talking about current ability levels of their squads which are pretty average championship level.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
There was a thread on here where some poster said the teams we beat on the way to the uefa cup final weren't very special, and everyone dogpiled.

Now we've got a thread where the uefa cup winner of last year couldn't compete in the championship.

So which is it? Is reaching the uefa cup final a piddling achievement which could easily be achieved by a mid ranking championship side, or is it an achievement to be proud of?

Personally I think that while I may have mocked Scottish football in the past, reaching the uefa cup final is scorchingly obvious proof that they are far better than a mid table championship team.
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Sheriff - who is "they"?

Old Firm are bottom three English Premier League/Top of English Championship for me - the rest of the Scottish Premiership is Division 1 English. In Europe, they can pull out odd special results, but that ability is dropping with time. In 1967 Celtic won the equivalent of the Champions League, the rarely get to the group stage now.

In 2006 I thought we played some decent teams in the UEFA Cup - Sevilla are third best team in Spain, Roma were a top 4 Italian side, Stueau Bucharest were like Old firm level - biggest team in their country. Basle and Stuttgart were regulars in the Champion league group stage in that era. Didn't we have Alkmaar in our Group who were in the semi final this year. The luck was probably avoiding Seville and Schalke in the semi finals.
 
Colin Warnek said:
Cov are better than Rangers I've heard it all now.
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Colin Warnek said:
1st. They were Europa League finalists last season.
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I don't think Rangers would get promoted from the champo, not playing 46 games against better standard opposition than the SPL every week, and dealing with the cups as well. Some good prem teams coming down have struggled to do that.

As for getting to the final of the Europa league, they get entered into it by default every year, after getting knocked out of the CL, every dog is going to have their day. They only have 4 other hard games all year, against Celtic, which gives them plenty of time to prep for European games.
 
Not a chance they would walk the championship.

Rangers are very poor. Yes they raised their game in the last OF game, but that after a humiliating season for them and against a Celtic team crippled by injuries who had already won the league.

Lundstrom (sp.?) is a cart horse more often than not.

Both clubs with huge followings though, who given Champo money and a decent manager would improve a lot.
Celtic looked good this season but in Europe, refusing to change their tactics, were hugely found out.
 
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