Im not a Police hater by any means, but.....

Scubahood said:
You'd think they'd do their best to avoid coming across like a power-hungry tosser, given that they're constantly being filmed on peoples' phones these days.
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They recently tried to make this illegal in France. That was until the people saw right through it for what it was and protested and rioted. French parliament quietly dropped the new proposal afterwards.

Surely coppers know that they will be under the microscope at the moment. Especially like you say, with every man and his dog having a camera on their mobile phone these days. To be honest if I was pulled over by a police officer the first thing I would do would be to get phone out and recording, secondly getting the officer's police number.
 
If I was stopped in the street by the police, my first reaction would be 'I wonder what this is about' and then to try and assist. Not lets whip my phone out and video this.

If you try your best to co-operate and the police are arsey then I get it, but why start off on a position mistrust?
 
ska66 said:
If I was stopped in the street by the police, my first reaction would be 'I wonder what this is about' and then to try and assist. Not lets whip my phone out and video this.

If you try your best to co-operate and the police are arsey then I get it, but why start off on a position mistrust?
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Throwing old age pensioners into the back of police vans for no reason other than been outside might have something to do with people not trusting police officers. Or those from BAME communities who are profiled constantly by the police have every reason to mistrust the police.
 
ska66 said:
If I was stopped in the street by the police, my first reaction would be 'I wonder what this is about' and then to try and assist. Not lets whip my phone out and video this.

If you try your best to co-operate and the police are arsey then I get it, but why start off on a position mistrust?
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Because they've shown themselves to be untrustworthy time and again
 
I assume by 'they' you mean every single police officer in the country...............
 
ska66 said:
If I was stopped in the street by the police, my first reaction would be 'I wonder what this is about' and then to try and assist. Not lets whip my phone out and video this.

If you try your best to co-operate and the police are arsey then I get it, but why start off on a position mistrust?
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Because 164 people have died in police custody in the last ten years with 0 prosecutions.

British policing is supposed to be community led, with police understood as simply citizens charged with upholding the law. Too often that has been forgotten with many thinking they are or are above the law.
 
LaPennaBianca said:
Because 164 people have died in police custody in the last ten years with 0 prosecutions.

British policing is supposed to be community led, with police understood as simply citizens charged with upholding the law. Too often that has been forgotten with many thinking they are or are above the law.
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That's a good point. It used to be and was when I joined nearly 20 years ago. Even then though community policing teams were on the wane but you still had coppers walking the beat and your job was as much about being visible and approachable and checking in with local businesses, schools, pubs etc. as it was sorting out the baddies.

If you see someone in uniform it's all PCSOs now (or dog **** wardens as we used to refer to them 🙄) who have very little power to do anything and command very little respect. Proper coppers are dashing from one emergency to the next, with barely a minute to think. It was getting that way when I left, and its got much worse since.

That doesn't excuse acting like an utter chunt of course. But it also doesn't help temper that behaviour because at no point in their training now are they actually going out and getting to know their communities and learning how to speak to the public. It's all stressful scenario followed by stressful scenario.

A lot join from quite a young age (I did) and have little life experience beyond their own bubble. I was only in for 2.5 years and probably developed more as a person in that time than I did in the next decade.
 
festa5 said:
That's a good point. It used to be and was when I joined nearly 20 years ago. Even then though community policing teams were on the wane but you still had coppers walking the beat and your job was as much about being visible and approachable and checking in with local businesses, schools, pubs etc. as it was sorting out the baddies.

If you see someone in uniform it's all PCSOs now (or dog **** wardens as we used to refer to them 🙄) who have very little power to do anything and command very little respect. Proper coppers are dashing from one emergency to the next, with barely a minute to think. It was getting that way when I left, and its got much worse since.

That doesn't excuse acting like an utter chunt of course. But it also doesn't help temper that behaviour because at no point in their training now are they actually going out and getting to know their communities and learning how to speak to the public. It's all stressful scenario followed by stressful scenario.

A lot join from quite a young age (I did) and have little life experience beyond their own bubble. I was only in for 2.5 years and probably developed more as a person in that time than I did in the next decade.
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This is a great insight - thanks!
 
ska66 said:
I assume by 'they' you mean every single police officer in the country...............
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Ska if you looked at my comment rather than being obtuse you wouldn't have drawn such a silly conclusion- you asked why anybody would start off from a position of mistrust. You only need to look at Cleveland Police over the past 25 years to see how the rot runs deep and right to the top of the organisations in question. They have shown themselves to be untrustworthy time and time again.

I happen to work with police on a daily basis and the absolute vast majority of officers are great people who do an incredibly difficult job. Working in the Metropolitan area attracts some of the brightest prospects in the country so I am lucky enough to see that and the attempts at reforming policing for the future.

However, the bad apples are very much a thread that runs throughout and those behaviors are; in my opinion, not challenged and tackled robustly enough. People are simply moved into other jobs rather than being dealt with. The forces in the Counties are arguably a lot worse and the issues run much deeper.

We police by consent in this country and we must have consent from the public at large. For better or for worse public confidence in authorities is very low and asking people not to mistrust is asking for the impossible.
 
Lurkalot said:
Holy cow, has anybody else seen this....

www.bbc.co.uk

West Midlands Police: Solihull Covid 'harassment' goes viral

A force apologises over viral footage of an officer calling him an idiot amid "lock up" threats.
www.bbc.co.uk
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No need at all. Bully showing off in front of his colleague. He should be concentrating on catching the ones who are committing the real crimes, the stabbings and mindless assaults, not some young man going to work. While he was stood posturing and pushing out his chest a 'real' crime was being committed elsewhere, no doubt.
 
LaPennaBianca said:
Because 164 people have died in police custody in the last ten years with 0 prosecutions.

British policing is supposed to be community led, with police understood as simply citizens charged with upholding the law. Too often that has been forgotten with many thinking they are or are above the law.
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And the implication being that someone should have been prosecuted?
 
Out of interest what was the cause of death? I’m sure if there was anything remotely suspicious an inquest will have taken place.
How many were classed as unlawful killing??
 
ChrisTheRed said:
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Before the punch... A cafe full... Signs of major disobedience rising
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Cheers I was looking for the video after reading the guy who was punched and then grabbed by the throat was a cafe owner who had decided to open his establishment.
 
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