LaPennaBianca
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I have literally no idea. It was more a point to illustrate the fact that the statistics are in favour of the police acting with impunity, as they're vanishingly unlikely to face appropriate consequences.
Im not a Police hater by any means, but.....
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ChrisTheRed
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Lol do you honestly think police in the UK have unlawfully killed 164 people in the last ten years?
What planet are you from?
What planet are you from?
LaPennaBianca
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Well I'm not saying that, am I? My point is that the police don't face robust internal scrutiny.
Do you honestly think that the police in this country are sufficiently held to account?
If you do, look up who the head of the Met is and what they were responsible for in 2005.
ChrisTheRed
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I think you'll find they do. An independent body investigates all deaths in and following police custody.
I was an officer so I know exactly what happens.
LaPennaBianca
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I'll defer to your expertise then
newyddion
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as a law abiding citizen I've had far too many incidents with the police, also having been the victim of crime I've yet to receive any constructive involvement from the boys in blue. the vast majority are power hungry morons and that's before you get into the systematic racism and widespread corruption.
ChrisTheRed
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How have you managed so many interactions with the Police as a law abiding citizen?
The vast majority are in fact genuinely nice and real people. There are a few bad eggs... Just like in all walks of life (the service reflects society as you would expect)
Racism was previously a massive problem and I'm not suggesting it isn't still a problem but the size of which I just don't know but again it will be a reflection of society as a whole.
The force is made up of humans after all and humans are not infallible.
newyddion
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How have I managed? Not something I've really managed to do myself tbh. The question should be how have the policed managed to be involved in multiple incidents with an innocent man who has not acted in a way to cause alarm or suspicion. Not being good at their job would be my answer.
Racism was previously a massive problem.. but now not so much? Based on what evidence? How much racism is acceptable?
ChrisTheRed
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I never once said it was acceptable but a lot of work has gone in to attempting to change it. As I said I'm not sure on the current state though.
So you're saying the Police just took a disliking towards you for no reason whatsoever?
Laughing
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That's true as far as it goes, however some professions are not representative of the population. Teachers and doctors would be good examples. The police force, I am sure, employ more than their fair share of racists. Not all police officers are racist, but the job is definately attractive to certain persoanlities beyond those who wish to serve their community.
ChrisTheRed
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Yup. I'd imagine that's got something to do with having to have a certain level of qualification for the jobs you put forward but that's just purely guesswork.
Jonny Ingbar
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You realise that each and every one is investigated to the highest standard?
Sadly a large proportion of people who come though pokice custody suffer from significant risks, whether that be drug/alcohol misuse or acute mental ill health.
Are you suggesting they've been unlawful killed?
Jonny Ingbar
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Why does there automatically have to be blameworthiness on the part of an individual?
Those who do have a duty of care are investigated, in each and every case, without fail and all by an independent body.
The police have to deal with the most at risk people in society society, it doesn't automatically follow that there has to be failings on their part if someone in custody dies.
newyddion
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There's been a a few very different situations.. obviously with different police officers. mistaken identity, a policeman wanting to show off in front of his mate, wanting to make up the numbers, protecting a criminal friend, doing an unlawful favour for a legal associate. All in all a pretty wide scope of unprofessionalism and unlawful behaviour. Nothing specifically based on my age, location, activities, behaviour or conduct.I never once said it was acceptable but a lot of work has gone in to attempting to change it. As I said I'm not sure on the current state though.
So you're saying the Police just took a disliking towards you for no reason whatsoever?
Laughing
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No idea, doctors, for example are more likely to be drug dependent than any other profession, pshychiatrists have the highest suicide rates of any proffession. We can probably explain those two, but some correlations are more difficult. The police attracting bullies is probably not a difficult correlation to make.
I am not saying all or even most police are bullies, of course not, but positions of power can attract people for the wrong reasons.
ChrisTheRed
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Ok so I'm guessing in their eyes you may have failed the dreaded "attitude test" given the circumstances you speak of.
I obviously don't know full circumstances but did you raise complaints with professional standards?
I hope future interactions are more positive. I've never had a problem even before i joined. I've left now and a shirt service as it wasn't for me but thats life.
newyddion
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on each occasion the decision to act unlawfully was made before any sort of interaction. on the one occasion I managed to take numbers I was told that it would be made out that wrongdoing was done on my part. 'my word against his' doesn't seem like it would get very far when it comes to bent coppers.
I'm sure my own experiences do not echo those of most, maybe folks have witnessed a lack of professionalism once or twice but nothing that would directly effect them. Cleveland have a terrible reputation and I have witnessed first hand in part why this is the case. I should probably make it clear that I've not have any negative interactions with any other police force in this country or or any other.
swordtrombonefish
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Had experiences at both ends of the spectrum, been so glad they respeonded fast when situations demanded and that they were able to quickly take control and deal with things.
On the other hand been verbally abused on a few occasions and once punched to the ground and kicked, I was a bit lippy but didn't expect nor did the verbals warrant the punishment meted out. That experience left me with a healthy distrust of the police for a number of years, though as above I was glad they showed and dealt with other events.
I think the good outweigh the bad by a large margin, but there will always be bad apples in any walk of life.
On the other hand been verbally abused on a few occasions and once punched to the ground and kicked, I was a bit lippy but didn't expect nor did the verbals warrant the punishment meted out. That experience left me with a healthy distrust of the police for a number of years, though as above I was glad they showed and dealt with other events.
I think the good outweigh the bad by a large margin, but there will always be bad apples in any walk of life.
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