ForssAwakens
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Like anything it’s a number a contributors.
Sounds like security was the biggest cause.
fake tickets and tickless fans sound like the 2nd biggest cause
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Sounds like security was the biggest cause.
fake tickets and tickless fans sound like the 2nd biggest cause
chickenrunner
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It's clear that ordinary, genuine fans have been treated deplorably and they've done nothing wrong. Worst of all kids have been clearly very shaken by their awful experiences.
However in a search for answers we just love to blame the 'faceless authorities'. When the 'faceless authorities' are Johnny foreigner so much the better.
How about we throw some personal responsibility into the mix for once. Responsibility to do as asked, to follow the rules, not to turn up at the ground ticketless, not to purchase tickets other than through proper channels. It's not that difficult but boorish, selfish, boastful t**ts who think they're "not doing any 'arm mate" once again spoil it for others. How about we call those b***ds out this time.
Edit: Change the bloody thread title. The thread is valid, the title is not.
However in a search for answers we just love to blame the 'faceless authorities'. When the 'faceless authorities' are Johnny foreigner so much the better.
How about we throw some personal responsibility into the mix for once. Responsibility to do as asked, to follow the rules, not to turn up at the ground ticketless, not to purchase tickets other than through proper channels. It's not that difficult but boorish, selfish, boastful t**ts who think they're "not doing any 'arm mate" once again spoil it for others. How about we call those b***ds out this time.
Edit: Change the bloody thread title. The thread is valid, the title is not.
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DCI_Gene_Hunt
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Exactly my point. Just another example of someone seeing some nonsense on line and believing it to be true.
Frozen Horse
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Twitter is the modern equivalent of some bloke in a pub.
h_m_boro
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All clubs have their scum/pond-life element, Liverpool no different, but does seem this utter reluctance for them to accept their fans had a role to play in what happened. Plenty of decent fans, feel sorry for all the genuine supporters caught up in that last night....... especially the ones with tickets.
Chappy112
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Why is that clear? Because you saw a video of 5 people climbing a fence that means that Liverpool fans were at fault for being stood in a queue for 3 hours?
There’s plenty of people who have tweeted about what was going on, not just Liverpool fans but journalists and impartial people, I don’t know why it’s being ignored.
viv_andersons_nana
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Presumably those people blaming Liverpool fans for what’s happened would be fine with Boro fans being blamed for what happened in Rome? Surely there must’ve been Boro fans arriving late, with fake tickets or no tickets at all… because the authorities and police and security firms don’t just attack people or use pepper spray or truncheons indiscriminately… do they? I can’t see them doing that. They must’ve had a reason to be spraying people, smashing people over the head, abusing power and generally causing chaos.
There’s a reason they plant and spread information about ticketless fans, drunk fans, etc. It’s because it works. This thread proves that point perfectly. Blame supporters first while we get our stories straight.
There’s a reason they plant and spread information about ticketless fans, drunk fans, etc. It’s because it works. This thread proves that point perfectly. Blame supporters first while we get our stories straight.
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I agree with a lot of what you say, just a small point I know but you can’t always get tickets from the proper source. I had to buy a ticket for Eindhoven off a “Boro” fan (who bought in the lottery from the club) for £300 who had absolutely no intention of going to the game.
There was no way in the world I was going to miss Boro in a European cup final.
I’m a gold card holder now I suspect he isn’t. Gripe over.
Zoophonic
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There are stories emerging especially from independent journalist observers caught up in the chaos that the organisation has a lot to answer for. A cordon around the stadium to stop ticketless fans and local youths intent on causing bother may have prevented them from getting to the entrance gates where the scenes of trouble took place. They do this at other big profile games. They always do it at World Cup finals games. For the UEFA show piece event they should have anticipated it.
Hope that's not Gary Walsh, our ex goalkeeper
Zoophonic
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If it is he must be related to Benjamin Button.
Caesium137
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Not sure on 'arrived at the ground' but it has been reported pretty widely that around 60,000 Liverpool fans were in Paris for the final, their ticket allocation was a little over 19500. That is quite a lot of extra people milling about where genuine ticket holders were trying to make their way through the screening and in to the stadium.
Liverpool fans party in Paris as riot police keep 'watchful eye'
Thousands of Liverpool fans are descending on the French capital
www.liverpoolecho.co.uk
Paris is seeing Red! Liverpool fans descend on the French capital
PETER ALLEN AND NICK PISA IN PARIS: A Red Army of Liverpool football fans began to arrive in Paris today as 6,000 French police prepared to welcome them for the European Cup Final.
King Kenny joins 50,000 Liverpool supporters at fan zone
Incredible scenes in Paris!
www.thisisanfield.com
chickenrunner
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Understand your point but if it turns out the ticket is fake, always a chance, then that could spill over in ways other than you simply not getting in, particularly if there are numbers of fake tickets. You would have to take your share of the responsibility in that situation.
At the end of the day it's a bloody football match, life is about disappointments and how you handle them. The Boro have taught me that if nowt else.
I must admit it wasn’t something me or any of my mates really thought about at the time. I just remember the whole experience being really stressful and being annoyed at uefa for selecting a stadium too small for the occasion.Understand your point but if it turns out the ticket is fake, always a chance, then that could spill over in ways other than you simply not getting in, particularly if there are numbers of fake tickets. You would have to take your share of the responsibility in that situation.
At the end of the day it's a bloody football match, life is about disappointments and how you handle them. The Boro have taught me that if nowt else.
Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants
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the fact merseyside police have arrested someone who was printing fake tickets, UEFAs statement said turnstiles were blocked by people trying to gain entry with fake tickets which choked the turnstiles up.
The rest of the mismanagement also needs to be looked at.
BoroFur
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Plenty of Boro fans travelled to Eindhoven without a ticket AET. Possibly some of those post on this forum. I doubt that any Boro fan tried to use a fake ticket but many were prepared to pay over the odds to a tout.
I just don't get this generalisation of anyone who supports Liverpool FC.
Zoophonic
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Yes Eindhoven’s stadium was far too small to hold a European final but thankfully there was no issue outside the ground that night that I saw.
Lots of hostility from local youths in St Denys being talked about. The Stadium is in a rough area of Paris.
Aet290204
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I know.
I just wouldn’t do it.
Waste of time, money and energy if you don’t get to see the game.
But that’s just me.