New Zealand weight lifter at the Olympics

uncle_rico said:
There aren’t gender categories, there are sex categories. Sex and gender are different things.
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I apologise for the error in terminology, I’m old school, I understand ( I hope) the needs of people who genuinely feel trapped in the wrong gender but I occasionally mess up with the correct wordage.
It would be less abrupt of you correct my error and then at least comment on my likely result of true equality in sport.
 
SmallTown said:
How did I know that some people on this thread would confuse transgenderism with transvestisism
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Seems your confused, what he said was true, the fact he mentioned wearing women's clothes was do with their identifying as a women without actually undergoing surgery, nothing to do with transvestism..
 
SmallTown said:
My confused what? You didn't finished your first sentence.
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Saying you identify as a women is a statement about your gender, not your sex. Generally people who would make that statement are trans women and have in some way accommodated beyond merely saying “I’m a woman”

Hi Smalltown. How is your boycott of the GB news advertisers going?
 
Smogonthethames said:
Saying you identify as a women is a statement about your gender, not your sex. Generally people who would make that statement are trans women and have in some way accommodated beyond merely saying “I’m a woman”

Hi Smalltown. How is your boycott of the GB news advertisers going?
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He was being pedantic over the use of your instead of you're.
 
Smogonthethames said:
Saying you identify as a women is a statement about your gender, not your sex. Generally people who would make that statement are trans women and have in some way accommodated beyond merely saying “I’m a woman”

Hi Smalltown. How is your boycott of the GB news advertisers going?
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Your first sentence doesn't seem to make any sense in the context of my point. Maybe you didn't understand it?
 
Ex pfc wintergreen said:
My post still stands, he wasn’t confusing transgender and transvestism you were. Incidentally you spelt transvestism in your response to him.😎
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He was. The discussion was about transgender people and he seems to think that putting on a dress meant transgender. It doesn't
 
GazC_MFC said:
Transvestites fall under the the transgender umbrella
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I'm not sure they do, although I'd have to check with my daughter.
Transgender is somebody who identifies with the opposite gender to that which they were born, transvestite is somebody who can and does, but not always, wear the opposite genders usual clothing, think Eddie Izzard
 
NZBoro1 said:
I'm not sure they do, although I'd have to check with my daughter.
Transgender is somebody who identifies with the opposite gender to that which they were born, transvestite is somebody who can and does, but not always, wear the opposite genders usual clothing, think Eddie Izzard
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Actually Eddie Izzard has now come out as being gender fluid I believe. She is happy with having either pronoun used to describe her. But I do agree with the rest of your comment. There is surely a big difference between a transvestite and a transgender. Wearing woman's clothing and wanting to be a woman are surely 2 separate things (though I can see how they can be linked). I would have though legally there would be a differentiation between transvestites and transgender?
 
SmallTown said:
He was. The discussion was about transgender people and he seems to think that putting on a dress meant transgender. It doesn't
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SmallTown said:
How did I know that some people on this thread would confuse transgenderism with transvestisism
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Read his post again, he said you can wear a wig and identify as a woman, he didn't say people who dress as women are transgender, that is your interpretation in trying to be smart about his post.
 
Ex pfc wintergreen said:
Read his post again, he said you can wear a wig and identify as a woman, he didn't say people who dress as women are transgender, that is your interpretation in trying to be smart about his post.
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He did actually. Still what a surprise that someone like you would turn this into an argument on semantics.
 
I can't imagine it would be too difficult to create some legislation to handle this. It won't please everyone but that's life.
 
I’m always a bit sceptical about claims along the lines of “male-born rapist identifies as female and is moved to female prison” - I’m not saying it hasn’t happened but I’d like to see some evidence.

I could see it happening with inmates in prison for non-violent crimes, but an actual rapist or other violent prisoner (certainly against women) being transferred from a male to female prison due to transitioning being allowed to mix with general prison population seems far fetched. Being transferred but remaining in solitary / high security / with similar inmates wouldn’t seem as far fetched. But I’m obviously no expert on this and any genuine evidence either way would be welcome to understand the true situation.

I think most people have a live and let live attitude but the (mostly online) discourse around trans and gender issues has become quite toxic and pushes often reasonable people into entrenched positions (extend to various other topics). It’s surely ok to ask questions with such big potential changes and the reasons have to be clearly communicated with any concerns acknowledged and addressed, however there seems to be various scare stories from the extreme of one side coupled with dogmatic and aggressive behaviour from the extreme of the other side. None of which seems to help the actual people who’s lives are affected.
 
I find it [Trans] a very obstructive situation in the world of drugs and the whole code of ethics regarding drugs in sports. Moreover, if this is to gain momentum and the Olympic movement does allow people from the male gender to cross over and perform in the female events then it's possible that we won't have a mutli-gender sports environment very soon-- and it'll possibly end in law suits and the female gender forming their own organic sports environment.
 
Smoggle said:
I’m always a bit sceptical about claims along the lines of “male-born rapist identifies as female and is moved to female prison” - I’m not saying it hasn’t happened but I’d like to see some evidence.

I could see it happening with inmates in prison for non-violent crimes, but an actual rapist or other violent prisoner (certainly against women) being transferred from a male to female prison due to transitioning being allowed to mix with general prison population seems far fetched. Being transferred but remaining in solitary / high security / with similar inmates wouldn’t seem as far fetched. But I’m obviously no expert on this and any genuine evidence either way would be welcome to understand the true situation.

I think most people have a live and let live attitude but the (mostly online) discourse around trans and gender issues has become quite toxic and pushes often reasonable people into entrenched positions (extend to various other topics). It’s surely ok to ask questions with such big potential changes and the reasons have to be clearly communicated with any concerns acknowledged and addressed, however there seems to be various scare stories from the extreme of one side coupled with dogmatic and aggressive behaviour from the extreme of the other side. None of which seems to help the actual people who’s lives are affected.
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Plenty on Google regarding males in women's prisons sexualy assaulting inmates.
 
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