Not feeling the Coronation at all…

[FabioPorkpie]

What are you prattling on about, go for a nice walk in the country, a game of golf, nobody is forcing you to do anything you don’t want, we’re not North Korea , as someone on here compared us to…

You’ve spent more time on here arguing and putting up silly photos to try and goad people into responses, like a child, than actually watching your magic fancy dress party.
Fancy letting a few anonymous people with a different opinion distract you from something you’ve been looking forward to for weeks.

It would be like us playing Sunderland, and instead of watching it, spending whole match arguing online with makems instead. Seems daft but ho hum, to each their own.

 

[BoroMart]

Anyway, Charles has a couple of A levels to be fair, did he not work hard for them, or did his mum just bribe the exam board?

He got poor a level results yet got his place at a top Uni…so no, he didn’t work hard for that. As usual he got life handed on a plate to him. His CV for the role of head of state consists of only one entry, mummy. I don’t respect that he was born to privilege, I don’t respect how little he made of his top class education either.

You don’t have to have a degree to be bright or indeed intellectual

No, but that’s not really the point. You asked if I would respect a judge and I said I would respect the effort to educate and learn and go through tests to achieve that role. You point about not needing a degree to be educated isn’t relevant.

Qualifications are no assurance of a person being intelligent, decent, hard working, fair, respectful, trustworthy, they do show you have the ability to recall stuff from memory mind, I should know I have enough of them

You clearly didn’t do any exams above blooms level 2 then, because that is not what most exams test.

I know a couple of district judges one who will tell you a few of them are not the brightest buttons in the box and regularly turn to and rely on the white book for guidance

Again, memory and intelligence are absolutely not the same thing.

I am all for corruption being dealt with and the law should apply to all, King, Prince, PM or Fred Bloggs from Pally Par

Well that’s a start and clearly the laws do not apply, by design to the monarchy. That is corruption.

there are no guarantees with anything and you hope a republic would be fairer and deliver better results and have less corruption

No there are no guarantees of that, but you can guarantee inequality and corruption with a monarchy. You can also guarantee the opportunity for better by moving to a different system of governance.

neither of us will ever change anything but as a democrat

I’m not sure on the alignment with monarchism and democracy.

 

[Glover_elbow]

He got poor a level results yet got his place at a top Uni…so no, he didn’t work hard for that. As usual he got life handed on a plate to him. His CV for the role of head of state consists of only one entry, mummy. I don’t respect that he was born to privilege, I don’t respect how little he made of his top class education either.

No, but that’s not really the point. You asked if I would respect a judge and I said I would respect the effort to educate and learn and go through tests to achieve that role. You point about not needing a degree to be educated isn’t relevant.


You clearly didn’t do any exams above blooms level 2 then, because that is not what most exams test.


Again, memory and intelligence are absolutely not the same thing.


Well that’s a start and clearly the laws do not apply, by design to the monarchy. That is corruption.


No there are no guarantees of that, but you can guarantee inequality and corruption with a monarchy. You can also guarantee the opportunity for better by moving to a different system of governance.


I’m not sure on the alignment with monarchism and democracy.

Democratic feudalism is about right

 

[the_holgate_roof]

You’ve spent more time on here arguing and putting up silly photos to try and goad people into responses, like a child, than actually watching your magic fancy dress party.
Fancy letting a few anonymous people with a different opinion distract you from something you’ve been looking forward to for weeks.

It would be like us playing Sunderland, and instead of watching it, spending whole match arguing online with makems instead. Seems daft but ho hum, to each their own.

I wouldn’t say I have been looking forward to this for weeks at all, not really thought about it much until this morning, so it certainly hasn’t dominated my thoughts, I just wanted to balance things out a little, as the vast majority of comments on here were anti royal but it doesn’t really surprise me, as this board is very left leaning and socialist.

 

[FabioPorkpie]

I wouldn’t say I have been looking forward to this for weeks at all, not really thought about it much until this morning, so it certainly hasn’t dominated my thoughts, I just wanted to balance things out a little, as the vast majority of comments on here were anti royal but it doesn’t really surprise me, as this board is very left leaning and socialist.

Yeah, we can all get a bit excited about it all,on both sides of the discussion.
I genuinely hope that all those who are doing something to mark the occasion have a good day though, and enjoy themselves.
And it’s good that you have added your input and added balance, whether we agree or not. Enjoy the rest of the weekend

 

[BoroMart]

You’ve spent more time on here arguing and putting up silly photos to try and goad people into responses, like a child, than actually watching your magic fancy dress party.

He’s on my blocked list for one of two reasons, he’s either abusive or intellectually dishonest, or both. No idea what he’s posting, but it’ll be nonsense I’m sure

 

[BoroMart]

Democratic feudalism is about right

Semi-representative democratic feudalism?

 

[BoroMart]

Lots of big names apparently turned it down.

Hence Gary boring Barlow etc

Pretty much all the cool bands are anti-monarchy

 

[BoroGold]

Whether anyone approves on here or not wont change the fact that today is history in the making, this tradition is many centuries old and I doubt it will be the last. It undoubtedly will evolve though and eventually I suspect people will have their way and a republic of GB be formed with a popular elected President.

I wonder who the first President will be, whether they are born yet, I’d put money on them being very wealthy and powerful, educated privately. I am sure they will be in it to put the people first though in this budding utopia people seem to think would be better, maybe they could go on to be as popular a president as Xi, Putin, Bashar al-Assad, Maduro are judging by the free and fair elections in their republics or say a Trump or Johnson populist type might lead us instead, whoopee.

After the monarchy is gone, what institutions are next, should the Church of England be brought down, buildings torn down or left to fall into ruin like some of the old Abbeys. What would people focus on to complain about, what would people turn their attentions to next I wonder? Lives will still be governed by a supreme leader of sorts, allegedly elected fairly, and respected by all no doubt, similar to how everyone has respected Brexit i suppose. Yep, I’m convinced change will always be for the better now, I’m in.

The CofE was created by a Monarch to get his own way, so if the Monarchy goes why not the CofE ?

 

[BoroMart]

That would be George V you refer to, the reality is despite him withdrawing the invite, which was undoubtedly for selfish reasons, fearing it might see support for the monarchy fall. However, it is widely believed the Bolsheviks would never have allowed them to leave Russia in any event. Nevertheless, it was still a cowardly decision by George V.

However, none of that is relevant to how the Russia developed as a republic thereafter.

I build systems of governance in my job. You would never create a system that allows a family to have all control, with zero accountability and traceability. It defies the logic of good governance.

There are thousands of alternative ways to create systems of governance, and some are as corrupt as monarchies and some better. But it’s always a moving game to keep improving and create better. Monarchism is the act of giving up on improvement and accepting failure of society, failure of justice, failure of democracy and failure of meritocracy.

 

[BoroMart]

We’re all Robert Smith aren’t we?

 

[coluka]

He got poor a level results yet got his place at a top Uni…so no, he didn’t work hard for that. As usual he got life handed on a plate to him. His CV for the role of head of state consists of only one entry, mummy. I don’t respect that he was born to privilege, I don’t respect how little he made of his top class education either.

No, but that’s not really the point. You asked if I would respect a judge and I said I would respect the effort to educate and learn and go through tests to achieve that role. You point about not needing a degree to be educated isn’t relevant.


You clearly didn’t do any exams above blooms level 2 then, because that is not what most exams test.


Again, memory and intelligence are absolutely not the same thing.


Well that’s a start and clearly the laws do not apply, by design to the monarchy. That is corruption.


No there are no guarantees of that, but you can guarantee inequality and corruption with a monarchy. You can also guarantee the opportunity for better by moving to a different system of governance.


I’m not sure on the alignment with monarchism and democracy.

So a B and a C were what he achieved. I am sure there are plenty of students who have worked hard to achieve such ‘poor’ grades as you describe them. I would suggest that is a bit disrespectful to a good number of UK students claiming they were poor. In your world does only an A count as showing hard work then?

Then you come out with a dig as to my level of education referring to blooms taxonomy…. another deary me for you on that one The problem is that learning is not some form of a hierarchy like Blooms model is structured and you yourself implied above. It can be quite misleading without greater understanding, the learning process is an integrated combination of all those parts of the pyramid, they are all equally important as to how we learn and subsequently applying it to individuals will differ person to person.

You can not guarantee a better system by moving to a different system of governance, different systems of governance can be better, they can also be worse, it depends on the criteria, those monitoring it and ensuring accountability appropriately etc. Governance can also be changed over time as we both know, corrupt people do that in certain political systems around the globe now. The principle of what you say is fine and dandy, but in reality can subsequently be manipulated to suit, see our current Government, see Trumps Presidency etc. It is all pretty irrelevant anyway as no political party with any hope of power has it on their agenda as far as I know.

 

[BillyBoyStu]

If it’s ok with Nick then it’s ok with me.
https://amp.theguardian.com/music/2...sh-royals-ahead-of-attending-kings-coronation

 

[coluka]

The CofE was created by a Monarch to get his own way, so if the Monarchy goes why not the CofE ?

You just proved my point, then what else after the C of E would be eradicated. what would be ‘the peoples revolutionary party’ wanting eradicated next? Its sounding more like a dictatorship now, perhaps burn christians at the stake

 

[BoroMart]

So a B and a C were what he achieved. I am sure there are plenty of students who have worked hard to achieve such ‘poor’ grades as you describe them.

You won’t get into a top university with grades like that, although he did. A B is ok, a C is below average.

Then you come out with a dig as to my level of education referring to blooms taxonomy

If you truly believe that exams test memory only, then you can’t have tested above o level / gcse. Or you are being disingenuous because your claim is objectively untrue. It’s not ‘having a dig’ it’s purely calling out a fact. I’m not shaming you for not knowing what you haven’t experienced, I’m simply ironically giving you an opportunity to learn something.

The problem is that learning is not some form of a hierarchy like Blooms model is structured and you yourself implied above.

Are you an expert in education, learning and exam setting?

You can not guarantee a better system by moving to a different system of governance

Once again I agree, but you can guarantee the utter corruption, greed and anti-democracy we currently have by changing nothing.

The principle of what you say is fine and dandy, but in reality can subsequently be manipulated to suit, see our current Government, see Trumps Presidency etc.

Agreed another example is a monarch who used her role to manipulate the writing of around 1,200 laws in her life, for her families personal gain

 

[BoroMart]

You just proved my point, then what else after the C of E would be eradicated. what would be ‘the peoples revolutionary party’ wanting eradicated next? Its sounding more like a dictatorship now, perhaps burn christians at the stake

Nobody wants to eradicate it, but to break the relationship with the state and let it free to do its own thing but not have its privilege. Be more honest.

It’s just another arm of feudalism that continues today within the current system.

 

[BoroGold]

You just proved my point, then what else after the C of E would be eradicated. what would be ‘the peoples revolutionary party’ wanting eradicated next? Its sounding more like a dictatorship now, perhaps burn christians at the stake

I wasn't trying to prove, or disprove anything, before Henry there was Christianity, because Henry wanted his own way we now find more versions of Christianity than enough. Leading inevitably to trouble.

 

[BobUpnDown]

Managed to dodge it all so far, will give news a miss for a few days too..

Monarchy is long past its sell by date, little time for Charlie.. peado priest incident being the most illuminating..

Friendship with Prince Charles made paedophile bishop Peter Ball 'impregnable'

BBC2 documentary shows how establishment figures rallied round cleric

www.theguardian.com

I did see the NMK republicans had been preemptively arrested.. which in the long run may build resentment within people to make a move away from whole ridiculous royal relic..

 

[coluka]

You won’t get into a top university with grades like that, although he did. A B is ok, a C is below average.

If you truly believe that exams test memory only, then you can’t have tested above o level / gcse. Or you are being disingenuous because your claim is objectively untrue. It’s not ‘having a dog’ it’s purely calling out a fact. I’m not shaming you for not knowing what you haven’t experienced, I’m simply ironically giving you an opportunity to learn something.


Are you an expert in education, learning and exam setting?

Once again I agree, but you can guarantee the utter corruption, greed and anti-democracy we currently have by changing nothing.

Agreed another example is a monarch who used her role to manipulate the writing of around 1,200 laws in her life, for her families personal gain

I am certainly not being disingenuous and I didn’t say all exams were just a test of memory, I said you can pass exams by having a good memory, learning from rote is one method people use, you don’t always have to understand the topic if you prepare well, memorising works well for some, it was used by some of my fellow alumni from Lancaster University (somewhat above O’level tbf), obviously it depends on the exam topic, something like Maths you’d need to apply understanding of processes though.

No I am not ‘an expert’ in education, learning and exam setting, but I have taken and passed many an exam across a variety of subjects at various levels, as well as being an occasional trainer in a works setting.

 

[redcarbob]

Massively disappointed that he didn’t show up