Not feeling the Coronation at all…

Subbuteo_171 said:
In laws are having a get together, I’m heading off into town on my Tod hoping it will be quiet. They’re all fawning over it, drives me mad. BIL is a total monarchist, hightlight of his life is meeting Lizzie and getting his MBE from her.
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Just been to Tesco, probably 80% as busy as any other Saturday
 
BoroMart said:
A judge has gone to university and studied, has worked hard to learn the law, passed exams.

Charles managed to successfully fall out of his mothers vagina.

Your comparison is intellectually moribund, but not at all surprising as intellect has to be put on the shelf when you buy into monarchism.

The fight against corruption is an ongoing job and has many failures on the way. As I’ve said multiple times on this thread nobody expects perfect. What I’ve also stated is that ensuring there is no visibility or accountability for people in power is in itself corruption, and it’s exactly what this monarchy have done as a modus operandi, ergo they are always corrupt. Some corruption in a republic with the ability to eject and even arrest the worst excesses is far more acceptable than absolute corruption and entitlement of a monarchy
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Intellectually moribund, oh dear 🤣

Anyway, Charles has a couple of A levels to be fair, did he not work hard for them, or did his mum just bribe the exam board? William has a couple too i believe. You don’t have to have a degree to be bright or indeed intellectual as I am sure you know, a degree does not make you better or ensure you are a hard worker and will be better in a role than a person with say a few O levels. I know a couple of district judges one who will tell you a few of them are not the brightest buttons in the box and regularly turn to and rely on the white book for guidance. One judge In a court case i attended even gave an order against someone that he had no powers to make 🤣, a quick appeal sorted it and he received a dressing down behind the scenes 🤷‍♂️

Qualifications are no assurance of a person being intelligent, decent, hard working, fair, respectful, trustworthy, they do show you have the ability to recall stuff from memory mind, I should know I have enough of them 😂

I am all for corruption being dealt with and the law should apply to all, King, Prince, PM or Fred Bloggs from Pally Park, but Presidents are usually, rich and powerful and even corrupt ones rarely get their comeuppance, there are no guarantees with anything and you hope a republic would be fairer and deliver better results and have less corruption, from the examples around the world there is little proof thats true (in my opinion that is).

Anyhow, nice chatting, enjoy the rest of your day, neither of us will ever change anything but as a democrat, I’d respect (well live with) any change the majority of British voters choose to take in the future, but not sure we can trust the right decisions to be made on our behalf by those we elect.
 
I don’t mind the monarchy, despise the tabloid stuff to do with them but otherwise they have a purpose and stay with tradition.
 
Couldn't give a toss, not watched a minute of it yet, anything involving royals bores the crap out of me. I've also seen enough and been in enough parades to last a lifetime and hated those too.

I'll quite happily abuse the occasion to have a bit of a meet-up in the pub later though, and just keep mute on the monarchy topic.

I'm not 100% against the monarchy, I suppose it adds some stability to some, and they bring in a lot of tourism, but I really wish they just somehow handled it like a business and paid some tax, and this was transparent.

If they had visible accounts on it, like tourism brought in this, we took takings from this as VAT, we spent this on security, we spent this on closing the roads, we taxed Charles inheritance like this etc, and then came up with a figure at the end, then it may just make the those against the monarchy a bit happier.

I sort of didn't agree with people being born into the wealth, and high stnading like which they have, but to be honest they have a life which I wouldn't want, I can't imagine it being much "fun", so let em have it. There are plenty of the public born into major wealth who have done absolutely zero also, and they're complete tossers (worse than the royals in my eyes).
 
sadgit said:
I am gardening but came in to see him crowned as King. I think we would lose our countries identity if we didn't have this. I am not religious or a massive monarchy fan, but this is what we do so well. Tradition. Makes me proud to be British, not many things do that lately.
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We will never lose it fortunately, the republican thing is an absolute nothing.
 
Muttley said:
Laughable. Russia? A "great world republic"? Hmmm...

As Johnson demonstrated we do not have a functional Head of State. When he illegally prorogued Parliament by lying to the Queen, a true HoS should have told him "no". Sadly Liz simply did as he asked. Would Chuck? Wood chuck...

Because other systems have flaws is not valid reasoning for blindly continuing with our own system rather than addressing the problems within it. A look across the pond and their unblinking adherence to "The Second Amendment" shows just one of the problems of an inflexible approach to the constitution, things written hundreds of years ago lose their validity and rationale over time. And "armed militia" might be a good thing if you believe that the Evil Empire might return to take them back into the oppression of the crown, not so much when it enables your local nutter to tool up with automatic weaponry and slaughter kids in a Primary School.

The existence of the Royal Family legitimises inherited wealth and privilege. Someone quoted the amount of land still held by the families of the robber barons that popped over the channel with Willy the Conq. Do not forget that Earls, Dukes, Kings etc. are simply the offspring of gangsters, thieves and bullies. The whole anointed by God thing is just the bunkum they have surrounded themselves with to legitimise their theft.
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Russia is a super power with great wealth albeit in few hands, it is a republic with a president, it once had a Monarchy too, it went well afterwards.

Oh I agree the monarchy is far from perfect and indeed has many, many faults. I am not saying it can’t and shouldn’t be changed. I am all for doing away with bits and having a PR system of government. You can have the best of both worlds. Inherited wealth and privilege wouldn’t end with the monarchy now would it? I am sure many people inherit wealth via various nerdowells too, drug dealing cartels, Mafia bosses etc.

I agree because other republics have flaws isn’t a reason for continuity, but then i never said it was. Some countries have gone from monarchy to republics back to monarchies too, Like I say as a democrat, I’d live with the consequences of any vote to abolish the monarchy, but if brexit has taught us anything, it is never trust your political leaders motives and believe they will do the right thing by their people once power is obtained as they can and do change things to suit.
 
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