One slight reason hydrogen may not be the answer to powering vehicles
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SmallTown
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Classic FUD.
Doesn't car what materials is in an ICE car. As soon as its battery its all about the LITHIUM!!!
classic behaviour for people who can't understand the need for EV
SmallTown
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Yes but other than the fact they are 4 times less efficient than EV, and virtually all hydrogen is produced using polluting methods, and they explode, and there are only 4 filling stations in the country, and you can’t safely store hydrogen, why wouldn’t we use hydrogen?
Randy
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No no. It's just a little tedious to constantly hear the high and mighty rattle on about how great for the environment electric cars currently are. Granted in the future they will be a lot better for the environment than they are now but for now...
Electric cars are still transported around the world the same way as petrol and diesel engined cars are, by boat, some of which are powered by hydrogen but most by bunker fuel otherwise known as heavy oil fuel which contains more sulphur levels than conventional diesel fuel. I don't believe Tesla for example have a factory in Europe that builds it's cars yet (one is currently been built in Europe), thats a long way to ship.
Materials to build electric cars are still sourced in the same way as combustion engines cars. Where petrol and diesel is ultimately made from oil out of the ground, battery components are sourced from mines, most of which are open ones, having an impact on the geography and natural habitats of the area the mine is located the same as drilling for oil causes.
My next car purchase will be a hybrid but ultimately not for environmental reasons, more for the technology and driving reasons.
Corcaigh_the_Cat
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Just pointing out the reality. Green energy produced a record 24%:in the UK last year.
You just keep believing hype and voting Tory.
SmallTown
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That seems a crazy high figure: given that less than 1% of all hydrogen in the entire world is green.
Not that I don’t believe you but where did you get that figure?
SmallTown
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The simple fact is that EV are better for the environment, and by some way. No matter how you want to weasel word it
No, they won't. They're designed to stringent safety standards and if they don't meet the requirements then they're not allowed on the roads. For example, the tanks are thick-walled enough to withstand even a .50 caliber bullet.
See article below from Washington State University.
So just how dangerous is hydrogen fuel?
As it states, "Tests were devised in which tanks containing liquid hydrogen under pressure were ruptured. In many cases, the hydrogen quickly escaped without ignition.
The experimenters then provided a rocket squib (a small powder charge) to ignite the escaping hydrogen. The resulting fireball quickly dissipated because of the rapid flame speed of hydrogen and its low density.
Containers of hydrogen and gasoline were placed side by side and ruptured. When the hydrogen can was ruptured and ignited, the flame quickly dissipated, but when the same thing was done with gasoline, the gasoline and flame stayed near the container and did much more damage.
The gasoline fire was an order of magnitude more severe than the hydrogen fire."
WoodallServices
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In your denigration of hydrogen you seem to have omitted what happens when an EV
bursts into flames and the fact that the batteries just keep on burning and burning. Whereas “white goods” used to be the biggest cause of house fires is now PED’s being left plugged in and catching fire. Imagine it being a car parked in your garage?
Have a look on you tube at iPhon’s catching fire.
BlindBoyGrunt
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EV's are better at keeping the pollution from the city centre but that electricity has to be generated somewhere and at the end of their lives the batteries have to be disposed of. EV's are just a stepping stone to something cleaner. Probably hydrogen.
That's a Natural Gas bus though, not a hydrogen-powered bus.
Hydrogen can be safely stored, and in fact is, as mentioned in the article below.
8 Things You Need To Know About Hydrogen Fuel-Cell Cars
As it points out:
Randy
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In the near future yes. Not right now. Curious as to why your in uproar about brexit poverty but don't give a toss about the African kids mining minerals 12 hours a day with crap tools, no breaks and working in searing heat though. Could it be "I'm alright I've got my Tesla you plebs" have anything to do with it?
It seems that it actually didn't blow up (at least, according to the link posted by @redcarbob). It says there was a workshop fire which set the bus on fire but even though it burnt, its hydrogen fuel tank did not explode.
Nieuwe waterstofbus in vlammen op bij brand Arriva, sein brandmeester gegeven
Bij vervoerder Arriva aan de Industriestraat in Doetinchem woedde donderdagmiddag een grote brand in een loods. Er brandde een bus op waterstof uit en die vlammen zorgden ervoor dat ook de rest van het gebouw in vuur en vlam stond. De brandweer heeft het sein brandmeester gegeven.www.gld.nl
In Dutch but essentially the first hydrogen bus in the Netherlands has blown up. Taking another bus with it. And the depot it is in
SNOWBANDIT
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If this project is correct - and true , would this not be a game changer for hydrogen? Solid State Hydrogen, In the past , apparently "banned" by US gov as disruptive. As I understand it, hydrogen is doped onto a film,where it is re- activated by laser. >>> Hydrogen on a TAPE!! WTAF
SNOWBANDIT
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Stock up 130% over 5 years MMMMmmm
SNOWBANDIT
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SNOWBANDIT
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Oooooooooor is it a scam defying the Laws of ThermoDynamics?
JonnyHistory
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Now yes, but there has been far more investment into EV's at this point. EV's in their current guise are also not the answer also, to expensive to make and require far to many rare minerals, their carbon footprints are no better than normal petrol cars.