Planned riot in Middlesborough last weekend.

BoroMart said:
true, but the point is brexiteers were told we would get great contracts around the world and business would be booming, the opportunity was immeasurable. Instead we got a contraction, and it was always going to be that. Yes the austerity contraction was greater, but in 2016 they were promised something that was undeliverable.
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You are right and it's probably not well known how much our economy contracted by under the tory government.
 
atypical_boro said:
And they entrusted a group who never had the faintest idea how to deliver it.
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true, but the net gain sum of what was promised could not be delivered regardless who was in power. They could have delivered better on cost of living, but that would have meant staying in the single market, they could have delivered on tougher immigration, but that would likely come with becoming a pariah state for dropping support for human rights. Actions and consequences. Extreme actions usually have extreme consequences on a micro and macro level
 
Borobuddah said:
“Scummy underclasses” I thought you a better man than that I have met many of what you might call underclass , the majority are decent, if downtrodden and desperate
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it's easy to take one phrase out of context, some of them are scummy, and some are in the other categories I listed. Don't try and paint me as someone that sees everyone who is poor as scum, that isn't what I said, I was talking specifically about the 300 people involved last night and make no apology for calling them scummy.


......and just for 100% clarity. I'm from a single parent family, one of three brothers, with fook all as I grew up and supported with benefits. Many of my friends were also poor. I didn't grow up in a leafy suburb. I never behaved like these people, despite having nothing, some of my friends did, most didn't. These peple had a choice and decided to act like scum.
 
One more thought on last night:

I see at one point Hamza Yousaf suggested deploying the army to restore order. Well, he's not in a position of power anymore, but I wonder how that would have played.

The rioters, superficially at least, seem to love the army but hate the police (seems weird to me). How would they have reacted to this? Would it have calmed matters, or escalated?

I shy away from the idea myself as I think once you've done that, there's nowhere else really to go, but there has to be a point at which it becomes necessary.
 
Frozen Horse said:
One more thought on last night:

I see at one point Hamza Yousaf suggested deploying the army to restore order. Well, he's not in a position of power anymore, but I wonder how that would have played.

The rioters, superficially at least, seem to love the army but hate the police (seems weird to me). How would they have reacted to this? Would it have calmed matters, or escalated?

I shy away from the idea myself as I think once you've done that, there's nowhere else really to go, but there has to be a point at which it becomes necessary.
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The Army are trained in a specific and very unique way, but that doesn't include occurrences of public disorder.

There would be a point where they would have to be deployed, but we were and are a long way from that currently.

I think his comments were naive and lacked understanding.
 
Frozen Horse said:
One more thought on last night:

I see at one point Hamza Yousaf suggested deploying the army to restore order. Well, he's not in a position of power anymore, but I wonder how that would have played.

The rioters, superficially at least, seem to love the army but hate the police (seems weird to me). How would they have reacted to this? Would it have calmed matters, or escalated?

I shy away from the idea myself as I think once you've done that, there's nowhere else really to go, but there has to be a point at which it becomes necessary.
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Put armed soldiers including asians outside the mosques and watch the confused little racists 'patriots' try and get their head around it
 
BoroMart said:
it's easy to take one phrase out of context, some of them are scummy, and some are in the other categories I listed. Don't try and paint me as someone that sees everyone who is poor as scum, that isn't what I said, I was talking specifically about the 300 people involved last night and make no apology for calling them scummy.


......and just for 100% clarity. I'm from a single parent family, one of three brothers, with fook all as I grew up and supported with benefits. Many of my friends were also poor. I didn't grow up in a leafy suburb. I never behaved like these people, despite having nothing, some of my friends did, most didn't. These peple had a choice and decided to act like scum.
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Thanks for clarifying
 
atypical_boro said:
And they entrusted a group who never had the faintest idea how to deliver it.
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They delivered exactly what they wanted to deliver. Us scum were left to do the best we could.
To me, and I’m sure there will comeback on this, is all I could come up with after years of trying to work out why a country would slit its own economic throat. The biggest con ever perpetrated
 

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Jonny Ingbar said:
The Army are trained in a specific and very unique way, but that doesn't include occurrences of public disorder.

There would be a point where they would have to be deployed, but we were and are a long way from that currently.

I think his comments were naive and lacked understanding.
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Yes, I think I agree with that.

BoroMart said:
Put armed soldiers including asians outside the mosques and watch the confused little racists 'patriots' try and get their head around it
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I'll also admit I would have been fascinated at what reaction it would have received; on the whole, I'm glad I didn't have to find out, but it would have certainly challenged some of the rioters preconceptions of patriotism and serving the country.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
The Army are trained in a specific and very unique way, but that doesn't include occurrences of public disorder.

There would be a point where they would have to be deployed, but we were and are a long way from that currently.

I think his comments were naive and lacked understanding.
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Agreed. We do need to give our police more robust tools though. Faced with a hostile mob intent on causing injury or damage, I see no reason not to deploy water cannon. Perhaps filled with a non-toxic dye?
 
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Ziggy said:
They delivered exactly what they wanted to deliver. Us scum were left to do the best we could.
To me, and I’m sure there will comeback on this, is all I could come up with after years of trying to work out why a country would slit its own economic throat. The biggest con ever perpetrated
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I agree with this, plus I'd add the EU will to move power away from governments and towards experts, thereby reducing the strategic policy flip-flopping between contrasting governments.

Brexit was a Trojan Horse.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
The Army are trained in a specific and very unique way, but that doesn't include occurrences of public disorder.

There would be a point where they would have to be deployed, but we were and are a long way from that currently.

I think his comments were naive and lacked understanding.
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When I was in we did do public order training under the banner of Op Temperer, I’m unsure whether they still do it though.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
I agree with this, plus I'd add the EU will to move power away from governments and towards experts, thereby reducing the strategic policy flip-flopping between contrasting governments.

Brexit was a Trojan Horse.
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The actual EU debate on this took place in 2013. So there was time to prepare.
 
Did the racists reach the mosque? The last tactic I heard was they’d split into several smaller groups and gone in different directions
 
dribble said:
I don’t get men in their late 50’s 60’s bowing to peer pressure and turning up to these events.Sat in the pubs listening to the bile and not having the gonads to say ,not for me fellas,I’ll give this a miss.
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Some absolutely pathetic middle aged specimens in the photos. Imagine if those ***** were in your family.

An embarrassment to themselves and the area.
 
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