SmallTown
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Wow! Denial and extremism. The brexit force is strong with this one. I know he's a bit touched but, I find the complete denial of the failures of brexit staggering. How can you be so ignorant?
Please don't punish us for 'Westminster mistakes' urges Hartlepool Tory candidate
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Chappy112
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Nope but I don't think anyone thought that would happen before Brexit went through so why it's relevant I have no idea.
Lefty
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So this is a fundamental misunderstanding of the question or the arguments that you needed to consider.
The argument was not that trade would stop, it was that trade was made easier and cheaper by being in the Single Market, where half our trade is done.
The GFA was not mollifying gangsters, it was a fudge to allow both sides a means to live together. It was an arrangement where both could pretend that they got what they wanted and it was only possible because both the UK and ROI were in the EU. When combined with the CTA and passport arrangements for people and no internal border checks necessary for goods it meant Ireland was united in all practical terms, while politically the North was still technically part of the UK. This was impossible prior to 1993 and impossible again now unless we realign with the SM.
Same_as_before
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Cannot argue with that. I was there for almost 6 months earlier in the year. I never saw a bus pulled up or a single check on the border. In the end the Irish in lots of ways are one, they are not going to stop each other making a few Bob.
I would have given it a like but with the company beside it I may have caught a rash.
Lefty
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Interesting, but because of the breakdown of the seats being contested, probably not seismic.
Most of the seats are Labour ones being defended from 2018, when Corbyn was at his zenith.
Chris_Boro
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The "Local Conservatives" are going to struggle.
BoroMart
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This is just the way they work, they exaggerate for effect, because they can't debate in good faith and honesty....which only leads to one conclusion they are not being honest with themselves.
Duffman
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Like far too many northern towns and cities, Hartlepool is fundamentally racist. All the ills they face are down to foreigners - it’s a simple narrative to sell and gets traction with white grey headed men who spend their social time in the pub before going home and telling their wife how to vote and indoctrinating their offspring. It isn’t about Tory v Labour in Hartlepool it’s about appealing to the racists (hence the EU flag). The harsh reality of 2022 in the North East
Same_as_before
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Whereas as you as a condescending toosser.
It must be great to wake up every morning thinking, I am wonderful, god you had a good day the day I was born.
Whereas the other sniffling Shiite Brexit voters you could have done a lot better
Lefty
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Northern Ireland is still in the SM and it's economy has not suffered like the rest of the UK has. Doesn't that tell you something?
I think it is reasonable to assume that any big change will take time to bed down, but the question I have for Brexiters is how long should we wait?
If we were to apply the same sort of principles to brexit as we do to science the criteria to judge whether the 'trial' has been a success or not would have been set out by the brexiters prior to the referendum.
Usually I would say a fair test would be a certain period after it's full implementation. Maybe 1-3 years as the 'short term', being generous. Medium term perhaps as much as up to 10 years, being generous. The long term, well, long term economic forecasts are pretty pointless because of the variables, but the direction of travel at ten years is as good as we are probably going to get for an indicator.
However, it has already been six years and we haven't implemented anything fully yet. We are still kicking the can down the road. We should be into the medium term already but we are not. Why? Certainly there is incompetence involved, which should be taken into account, but mostly it is because it is just too difficult. We have some enormous tasks to complete, measures to put in place, measures which used to be unnecessary. It is absolutely fair to provisionally say Brexit has already been a failure.
Nor have we negotiated anything significant to replace or improve on what we had. We have rolled over a lot to maintain what we had (telling perhaps), negotiated deals that are in fact potentially worse for our domestic industries like Agriculture and Fisheries, or estimated to bring an almost negligible long term benefit. On average trade deals take 7 years to do. It was March 2017 that we triggered Article 50. It has taken us 5 years to supposedly do the disentangling from the Single Market, not improve on it. The EU have managed it easily enough. We are nowhere with the USA or China.
As for services, nothing. We are a service economy. Sheesh!
This is what Leave voters have foisted on us. At what point will they judge their choice as either a success or a mistake?
gregorgregorovich
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I remember being told years ago, that we had heavy industry, heavy drinking and heavy racism. I now realise that the person who told me that was more right than I thought at the time.
WeeGord
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Once again displaying your nasty, aggressive side and being a bit of a bell end to be honest. It's to be expected from you of course. Perhaps you might like to start acting your age rather than your shoe size and show a bit more decency to the people on the board.
Lefty
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I don't think we are more racist than anywhere else. In fact I'd say we are slightly less so than most countries.
That is not to say there isn't a lot of racism about sadly. Brexit has even put a bunch of people in government who feel emboldened to be overtly racist because that is what they think a majority of the people they care about want.
I think they have this wrong, but we'll see.
That is not to say there isn't a lot of racism about sadly. Brexit has even put a bunch of people in government who feel emboldened to be overtly racist because that is what they think a majority of the people they care about want.
I think they have this wrong, but we'll see.
Trouble is- they are NOT mistakes- they are deliberate policies of allowing thousands to die and partying while they did, stealing tax payers money for unworkable PPE and putting two fingers up to all of us.
A MP deliberately looking at porn in his tax payer supplied workplace during an important debate.
Another MP laying down and sleeping on the front bench.
These are NOT mistakes. These are deliberate acts.
HarryVegas
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Such pig-headed ignorance on display in this thread. A few mind-numbing pages ago, SAB demanded someone give him one aspect of their life that had been adversely affected by brexit. Ok, I'll bite.
On the night of the vote, I was at the annual conference of the CBI. When the results started coming in, the whole room was in shock. People had their heads in their hands.
This sense of disbelief spread among the business community. The company I run, our order book fell off a cliff and has never really recovered. Don't get me wrong, I'm not starving but I've personally lost probably over 100K in income over the period since then. This effects other people, such as the guys I subcontract work to. Their income has been adversely affected. They in turn don't buy as much stuff from other businesses, and so it rolls on.
My business is only small but if the other 300 people in that room that night have experienced anything remotely similar - and I know for a fact many of them have - well, you get the picture.
You can of course choose to dismiss this or disbelieve it. But from my experience, brexit has done nothing but harm, and that's without what it did in terms of empowering the bigots all around us. The way that foreign nationals are now routinely talked about would have been unthinkable before the vote and that in itself is unforgivable.
On the night of the vote, I was at the annual conference of the CBI. When the results started coming in, the whole room was in shock. People had their heads in their hands.
This sense of disbelief spread among the business community. The company I run, our order book fell off a cliff and has never really recovered. Don't get me wrong, I'm not starving but I've personally lost probably over 100K in income over the period since then. This effects other people, such as the guys I subcontract work to. Their income has been adversely affected. They in turn don't buy as much stuff from other businesses, and so it rolls on.
My business is only small but if the other 300 people in that room that night have experienced anything remotely similar - and I know for a fact many of them have - well, you get the picture.
You can of course choose to dismiss this or disbelieve it. But from my experience, brexit has done nothing but harm, and that's without what it did in terms of empowering the bigots all around us. The way that foreign nationals are now routinely talked about would have been unthinkable before the vote and that in itself is unforgivable.
Just the level we've got used to from the Tories and even the man at the top. The retort they and you have is childish playground taunts.
Don't blame you. It's all that's left when stuck with trying to defend the indefensible.
Another hard hitting well considered contribution.
Is this really the best you can do?
