Saving Christmas

It’s a Boris PR stunt his chums in the media will hail him as the pm who saves Christmas & his borisettes will lap it up.

when are you going to realize he couldn’t give a rats about you all he cares about is staying in power if that means a cheap PR stunt that could costs hundreds or even thousands of lives keeps his popularity numbers up he has no problem with that at all.
 
May as well write Christmas off and give us a couple of extra bank holidays next year once the vaccination program is up and running.

I'm not going anywhere - me and my wife are both clinically vulnerable and my mum lives over 150 miles away so travelling is out of the question unless we can do a Cummings and travel without stopping.
 
1finny said:
In a nuthsell sir (y)

My 2 lads from London will be with me at xmas
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Whilst I don’t necessarily agree , this sort of behaviour would be ok if the rest of the nation would use their common sense. Sadly they won’t and there will be parties, large gatherings and mixing of multiple families.
 
FatCat said:
Whilst I don’t necessarily agree , this sort of behaviour would be ok if the rest of the nation would use their common sense. Sadly they won’t and there will be parties, large gatherings and mixing of multiple families.
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FatCat - you should know by now. My common sense is bob on :)
 
FatCat said:
Whilst I don’t necessarily agree , this sort of behaviour would be ok if the rest of the nation would use their common sense. Sadly they won’t and there will be parties, large gatherings and mixing of multiple families.
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How do you know that exactly ?

The people who would do this will be probably doing it every weekend anyway so why would we 'cancel' Xmas because of the minority being idiots ?
 
Couldn't agree more with the OP, another lockdown just for a few days of Christmas is insane. I've had over 30 Christmas's before, so missing out a year is fine by me.
 
Is this idea been decided by SAGE?

This SAGE?

www.dailymail.co.uk

SAGE used dodgy data from WIKIPEDIA to model Covid crisis in spring

Professor Ian Hall, deputy chair of the SAGE subgroup SPI-M, said: 'The public may be surprised that we were using Wikipedia - but that was really the only data available'.
www.dailymail.co.uk

Wikipedia? 😂 Yeah let's follow the science.

Anything decided on using SAGE advice is now redundant in my eyes. The levels of failure at government, at SAGE, at NHS staggers me.
 
parnabyscrosses said:
Couldn't agree more with the OP, another lockdown just for a few days of Christmas is insane. I've had over 30 Christmas's before, so missing out a year is fine by me.
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I’d extend the thinking

Tell the kids there will be no Santa and Elves this year because if they die that’s it for ever. So 1 year without pressies.

Good life lesson and takes the hassle out of it all
 
RandySavage said:
Is this idea been decided by SAGE?

This SAGE?

www.dailymail.co.uk

SAGE used dodgy data from WIKIPEDIA to model Covid crisis in spring

Professor Ian Hall, deputy chair of the SAGE subgroup SPI-M, said: 'The public may be surprised that we were using Wikipedia - but that was really the only data available'.
www.dailymail.co.uk

Wikipedia? 😂 Yeah let's follow the science.

Anything decided on using SAGE advice is now redundant in my eyes. The levels of failure at government, at SAGE, at NHS staggers me.
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You couldn't make it up .............. but they did !!
 
RandySavage said:
Is this idea been decided by SAGE?

This SAGE?

www.dailymail.co.uk

SAGE used dodgy data from WIKIPEDIA to model Covid crisis in spring

Professor Ian Hall, deputy chair of the SAGE subgroup SPI-M, said: 'The public may be surprised that we were using Wikipedia - but that was really the only data available'.
www.dailymail.co.uk

Wikipedia? 😂 Yeah let's follow the science.

Anything decided on using SAGE advice is now redundant in my eyes. The levels of failure at government, at SAGE, at NHS staggers me.
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Morning fella
Frontiers in Public Health (focus on peer reviewed papers) have an article this morning.
Conclusion is ‘stringency of measures to fight virus, including lockdown, did not appear to be linked to death rate’
 
Closing pubs and everything is the only real control the Tories have over this.

When it comes to Christmas Day, people normally stay at home with their extended families. This will happen en masse this year whether the Tories 'endorse' it or not, and they have zero chance of being able to stop it whatever headlines get published.

Maybe they're just trying to be pragmatic here and effectively 'negotiate' with the public.

From a personal perspective, I'm not that fussed about going to the pub until the whole covid thing has passed as its not much fun with all the restrictions, but it would be nice to allow a few loved ones into my own house for maybe 2 days if no one is showing symptoms.
 
I think we can all agree that a Xmas eve down the local or boxing day pub crawl on Yarm high street are out the window.

But I don't think you can scrap everything. Our plan is for the three of us to travel up to my parents for Christmas. Me and the Mrs both work from home and my parents don't really go anywhere, so in that situation, I see no risk.

As long as the majority of alcohol-induced festivities are cut (which lets be honest will be virus spreading dream), and steps are taken where possible (two houses self isolating where possible beforehand) I don't see why we can't have some form of reduced celebration with those who we love.
 
norfolkngood said:
Couldn't save Eid or Diwali could he.
In fact he put Bradford into level 3 the day before Eid just in case people started to congregate together in large numbers to celebrate birthdays , weddings or religious festivals whilst there was a pandemic on.
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This.

There's going to be much hypocrisy this Christmas.
 
1finny said:
Morning fella
Frontiers in Public Health (focus on peer reviewed papers) have an article this morning.
Conclusion is ‘stringency of measures to fight virus, including lockdown, did not appear to be linked to death rate’
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I'm not at all surprised.

In fact I'm looking forward to the defense of SAGE from the usual suspects. That story isn't just been reported in the mail either before folks use that as a stick to beat up the story with.

Everything we were told in March was an outright lie. Everything.
 
Personal opinion is that the pubs and restaurants shouldn't be opened until the New Year.

The only argument I can really think of in favour of opening them (beyond financial), is that many people live alone and rely on them at Christmas to socialise.

Cases are going to rocket next month anyway, I suspect, we should minimise the number of places people can interact.
 
BoroBen92 said:
People will ignore them anyway, so I think it's being done as a bit of a fait accompli, and at least this way it'll look like it's happening because they've allowed it.

There's not really any other reason to allow it to happen except they don't think it's enforceable to prevent it.
Infections and deaths don't stop at Christmas.
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We normally go to France for Christmas with the wife and cabin up in a cosy cottage, so not seeing people over Christmas would be the norm for us. It is the elderly or people who live alone I worry for.

My father is in his mid eighties and is starting with dementia, how do you tell him that family cannot visit him on Christmas day or he cannot attend my sisters as normal because the bubble is too big.

I'm presently isolating from work after a student tested positive. Last week my dad walked to my house (it is not far but he's not to clever on his pins), when I answered the door he proceeded to walk in and I tried to explain he couldn't come in. He replied 'you only die once' and walked past me into the kitchen to see my wife. I fully understand the need to isolate and protect others, but how honestly could I turn an old man away from my door without offending him.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
We normally go to France for Christmas with the wife and cabin up in a cosy cottage, so not seeing people over Christmas would be the norm for us. It is the elderly or people who live alone I worry for.

My father is in his mid eighties and is starting with dementia, how do you tell him that family cannot visit him on Christmas day or he cannot attend my sisters as normal because the bubble is too big.

I'm presently isolating from work after a student tested positive. Last week my dad walked to my house (it is not far but he's not to clever on his pins), when I answered the door he proceeded to walk in and I tried to explain he couldn't come in. He replied 'you only die once' and walked past me into the kitchen to see my wife. I fully understand the need to isolate and protect others, but how honestly could I turn an old man away from my door without offending him.
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We have a number of elderly neighbours, in fact 4 in a row over the road from us .................... we speak to them on the front regularly and they all have the same attitude as your Dad. That doesn't mean they are having swinging parties but it is noticeable their siblings are checking on them regular.

I think the first lockdown, everyone thought we'll do this and it'll be sorted, but now the elderly are thinking balls to this as i could be wasting the last months, years of my life holed up with no-one to even share my memories with.

It's a travesty that it has come to this and for everyone with this attitude, their will be another who won't even step over the door as they have been terrified to the point that they think the virus will attack them as soon as they go over the threshold.

I'm not advocating that their should be no restrictions, just that there is an awful lot of people who the lockdown has had minimal effect, being judge & jury on those who are really struggling both mentally & financially.

Rant over, but my heart breaks for the older people living alone.
 
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