Shamima Begum refused return to UK

I couldn't read past the first page of this thread due to the amount of posters saying good riddance etc.

Here is a thread from June last year https://fmttmboro.com/index.php?threads/shamima-begum.4594/. I'll post my comment from then below as I still think we have failed this girl. And now, she is being made a scapegoat.

This thread is pretty disheartening. Here is a girl who was generally disillusioned with her life and looked somewhere for some comfort. Unfortunately, that led to grooming, radicalisation and hatred, which led to Syria. She's made some poor decisions, but many would argue that she wasn't doing it while in a correct mental state. Everyone here stating 'good riddance' etc. What does that say to her? Britain doesn't want me, maybe the terrorists were right, just re-enforcing her position.

There's a pretty compelling argument that with proper support for teens, better welfare checks and improved policing against grooming gangs, she could return to Britain as a citizen and enjoy her life here that so many of us advocate as a welcoming and tolerant society. It saddens me to think this attitude of 'sod 'em' is rife. Imagine as a parent hearing this and thinking, I'm British, been here all my life and all of a sudden I'm an outcast along with my children. No offer of support, just a black and white, one of us or one of 'them'.

Bad times.
 
It’s a very interesting debate this one and seems to have split the board.

I’ll be perfectly honest I’m not sure what the right thing to do is - I can see both sides to what is a very complex issue.

I have a question for those advocating to bring her back - would you be happy if we was housed next door to you - the media storm, the perceived threat ( is she still a danger and so on) Honestly would you be happy? And if not then where should she go because if it’s not next door to you it will be next door to somebody else.
 
FatCat said:
It’s a very interesting debate this one and seems to have split the board.

I’ll be perfectly honest I’m not sure what the right thing to do is - I can see both sides to what is a very complex issue.

I have a question for those advocating to bring her back - would you be happy if we was housed next door to you - the media storm, the perceived threat ( is she still a danger and so on) Honestly would you be happy? And if not then where should she go because if it’s not next door to you it will be next door to somebody else.
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I would have zero concerns about her living next door to me.
 
Londons_Moggie said:
It's a tragic story and one I'm not 100% comfortable with. However, if she was to return to the UK and then kill a number of people, the government would get a lot of flack for allowing her back in. Damned if you do and damned if you don't
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Well, this would be quite the failing of the security services - given everyone knows who she is and what she believes.
 
Londons_Moggie said:
It's a tragic story and one I'm not 100% comfortable with. However, if she was to return to the UK and then kill a number of people, the government would get a lot of flack for allowing her back in. Damned if you do and damned if you don't
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You're right that if the government let her walk back in, sections of the public would be in uproar, even if she never goes ahead and commits any crime, terrorism or not. However, the government should uphold the rule of law, not what the vocal massess want. Sometimes it's not very popular, but so be it. Patel,a s I said above, made this decision to pander to some peoples baser instincts. That's my problem, no judicial process is bad for everyone, terrorists, milkmen and message board users.
 
Laughing said:
You're right that if the government let her walk back in, sections of the public would be in uproar, even if she never goes ahead and commits any crime, terrorism or not. However, the government should uphold the rule of law, not what the vocal massess want. Sometimes it's not very popular, but so be it. Patel,a s I said above, made this decision to pander to some peoples baser instincts. That's my problem, no judicial process is bad for everyone, terrorists, milkmen and message board users.
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Ultimately it's the Supreme Court that have made the decision not the government
 
LaPennaBianca said:
Well, this would be quite the failing of the security services - given everyone knows who she is and what she believes.
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It wouldn't be the first time that known individuals with links to terrorist organisations have killed and maimed in this country. Many IRA and Islamist terrorists were already known and being watched by our security services
 
Colin Warnek said:
What hogwash. A global assessment of how other nations treat (or persecute) diverse communities in comparison with the UK is needed before reaching that conclusion.
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No it isn't. It's where she spent her childhood that counts.

Do you think that somehow as a child she was swayed by such as the Chinese, Saudi Arabian or German domestic policy?
 
Londons_Moggie said:
Ultimately it's the Supreme Court that have made the decision not the government
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No, the supreme court made the decision to uphold the decision tokeep her out of the country during her citizenship hearing. The withdrawal of citizenship was done without any legal standing at all. Hence, I suppose, the current court case.

It is the withdrawal of citizenship that most find odd given it's a birthright regardless of what type of person you grow up to be.
 
Londons_Moggie said:
It wouldn't be the first time that known individuals with links to terrorist organisations have killed and maimed in this country. Many IRA and Islamist terrorists were already known and being watched by our security services
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You have to agree that this is of a different order though, right? She is quite literally one if the famous terrorists in the world.

And do we worry about other criminals like this? Is recidivism that much of a worry for say - Jeffrey Archer or Chef Evans?
 
So she hasn’t developed a mind that can see right from wrong? You are deluded if you think that is the case. Smart enough to shield buying tickets to Turkey!
 
LaPennaBianca said:
You have to agree that this is of a different order though, right? She is quite literally one if the famous terrorists in the world.

And do we worry about other criminals like this? Is recidivism that much of a worry for say - Jeffrey Archer or Chef Evans?
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In the age of the internet knowing what she looks like is not that relevant. You can orchestrate a terror attack and detonate a bomb from your iPhone.

I can see both sides of the argument. It's every emotive subject and way too complex for me to take a clear side either way
 
Laughing said:
No, the supreme court made the decision to uphold the decision tokeep her out of the country during her citizenship hearing. The withdrawal of citizenship was done without any legal standing at all. Hence, I suppose, the current court case.

It is the withdrawal of citizenship that most find odd given it's a birthright regardless of what type of person you grow up to be.
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They could have overturned the decision and let her back in, so ultimately it's the Supreme Courts ruling.
 
Nosmo-King said:
So she hasn’t developed a mind that can see right from wrong? You are deluded if you think that is the case. Smart enough to shield buying tickets to Turkey!
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She was guided on how to do it. Of each step to take.

Your lack of compassion for the welfare of the country's children is telling.
 
FatCat said:
And you would welcome the press camped outside your home 24/7, the noise and congestion?
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I guess my point is it’s all well and good doing the right thing but when it’s on your doorstep would you still feel exactly the same?
 
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