That’s it then. No Deal

Artie Fufkin said:
Quite possibly, but you surely can't justify having a child purely for financial gain?

Sorry, but I'm quite emotive about this as someone who wanted nothing more than to be a dad, my wife to be a mother, but after several miscarriages we realised that wasn't going to happen for us and I wasn't going to put my wife through that again. I don't think I'll ever fully make my peace with that. For someone to suggest having a child because it makes financial benefit is something that rattles me
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I’m really saddened to read this Artie, as you come across as one the most laid back and respectful posters on here and it’s clear why you’re rattled, and rightly so. He has now exacerbated the situation with his ‘clarification’ response by suggesting the moral thing should only be done if it’s financially viable to do so.

There’s words for people like him and I’m probably best off not saying it. ANYONE who has children for financial reasons isn’t fit to be a parent.
 
Boro_Boro_Boro said:
you cant tell me what remaining means after 40 years either.

to use your example... its like going into the restaurant and instead of asking for the menu... you just blindly accept that every diner in their has to eat the exact same thing regardless of any allergies, intolerances or the price.
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But the UK has had a veto over anything it did not like so has had plenty of say. And by goodness, the UK certailny made the most of its veto.
As for the menu- all you have to do is ask- i.e - use the veto.
 
WeeGord said:
I’m really saddened to read this Artie, as you come across as one the most laid back and respectful posters on here and it’s clear why you’re rattled, and rightly so. He has now exacerbated the situation with his ‘clarification’ response by suggesting the moral thing should only be done if it’s financially viable to do so.

There’s words for people like him and I’m probably best off not saying it. ANYONE who has children for financial reasons isn’t fit to be a parent.
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Thank you WG. We all have a button that can be pushed. That was mine.
 
Artie, I apologise for any offence and I didn’t mean to upset or annoy you. I’m also sorry to hear about what happened to you and your mrs. I do think you don’t understand the point I was trying to make. I was trying to say how messed up and broken this country is that my ex and my son could be better off financially if I’m not working, how is that even possible? No one has a kid for financial gain, the mountain of presents I wrapped for him today are testament to that. It’s not really relevant to Brexit any way.

I’m just sick of all the people on here suddenly becoming experts on things they know nothing about it. It’s pretty irritating for someone that knows diddly squat about my industry telling me how I’m going to be affected by Brexit when they don’t even work in it or know nothing about it. Someone copies and pastes a link that was probably written by someone of a similar opinion to their own and it suddenly becomes gospel or they know more than the person who actually does the job every day. Everyone is suddenly an expert when it suits their own agenda. I get it, it’s a divisive issue and some people don’t want Brexit but so many people are talking out their ****. You can keep telling me how my industry is going to suffer because you read an article from a pro remain source but I have every confidence the Anglo-Spanish IAG who I work for is going to be fine, they’ve repeatedly said it themselves since the referendum and they have deliberately chosen to remain neutral over Brexit.

Covid can definitely **** off though. I’ll be glad when covid and Brexit are over so we can get back to talking about how garbage our midfield is.
 
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Boro_Boro_Boro said:
Well if thats you asking nicely we are all buggered.

My views are my own and as such are purely my opinion. as a result id be wasting my time on the likes of you.
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Ah so you can't answer. Why am I not surprised with that response? You wouldn't have spent many posts trying to be a smart @rse and avoid the question if you actually had an answer.

You have all;y proven why brexit is dumb and brexiteers should be disliked. So thanks for that at least
 
Same_as_before said:
Not only that , you can see into the future, Paul Daniels couldn't
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Well the home office frequently tweets celebrating our restrictions of movement from next year. Once again you are showing you ignorance. You claim I can "see into the future" When in reality I can just say what the home office is saying about restricting movements. I guess if you ignore everything that is happening, it seems "magic" that someone can predict something will happen based on announcements by the department in charge of making it happen, saying it's going to happen. Also the billions of pounds has ALREADY been spent. Maybe, again de to blissful ignorance, you think that ignoring something has happened means it hasn't? not so sure now. It IS helping me prove my point about the idiocy of Brexit, so well done for that.
 
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www.theguardian.com

Boris Johnson would only have himself to blame for a no-deal Brexit | Simon Jenkins

The prime minister is in this mess because he has always considered his own interests before Britain’s, says Guardian columnist Simon Jenkins
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I found this the most interesting and informative- and it doesn't worry at all- it scares the fk out of me

Throughout the negotiations it has been difficult to tell what Johnson’s strategy is, other than extracting publicity from each turn of events. Negotiations were subject to a barrage of grandstanding from London, in addition to ministers’ bad faith assertions, since withdrawn, that they were willing to break international law over the Northern Ireland protocol. In the case of the level playing field, Johnson was reduced to demanding the “right” for the UK to subsidise export industries, undercutting cross-Channel competition. This was as diplomatically implausible as it was ideologically bizarre. A Tory should welcome a regulated free market, not seek freedom to corrupt one.

If no deal is reached by this Sunday, the cost to jobs and economic growth will be immense. Police will lose access to vital EU data. British farmers could be crippled with tariffs. Scientific cooperation will be impeded. Britons will find travel with the continent complicated and expensive. Healthcare abroad will no longer be free. According to one 2018 estimate, no deal would deliver the British economy a savage 7.7% loss of income over the next 10 years – now in addition to the costs of the pandemic. The clock of half a century of pan-European cooperation would be turned back decades.

None of this was in Johnson’s scant Brexit manifesto, and it is no secret why. Had the halfway house of remaining in Europe’s single market been adopted, this fiasco could have been avoided. No one in the Brexit camp can begin to explain why the lunacy of no deal is to anyone’s gain. Only Johnson can stop it, and stop it he must.
 
SmallTown said:
Ah so you can't answer. Why am I not surprised with that response? You wouldn't have spent many posts trying to be a smart @rse and avoid the question if you actually had an answer.

You have all;y proven why brexit is dumb and brexiteers should be disliked. So thanks for that at least
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"brexiteers should be disliked" is your last name Pidcock?
 
MFP said:
Because you've just said so.
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I asked why it was dramatic. I know some don't accept that there is real hardship on the way, but you can be sure there is. You only have to listen to Government ministers who avoid answering the hard questions.
 
It's dramatic because you're claiming the lives of more than half the country have been ruined by Brexit. What an absurd load of *****.
 
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