That’s it then. No Deal

[Trug]

I would have thought they all be benefit you.

How?
The money "saved" in membership of the EU will be lost in tariffs. Extra cost to business in paperwork. Extra cost to the tax payer in recruiting, training and keeping thousands of customs inspectors. Vehicle queues at ports.
Food prices will be going up.
There is nothing to stop the UK from telling Starbucks and google to pay more taxes at the moment. The EU will be doing just that soon anyway. As well as clamping down on tax havens- the real reason that Farage and co want to leave the EU.
Before joining the EU the UK was known as the "Dirty Man of Europe"- many UK rivers had so little oxygen in them that fish could not survive. It is EU legislation that has brought our environmental standards to where we are now.
As more and more vehicles are going electric the diesel deception is mute.
In 40 years the UK has appeared before the European Courts Of Human Rights 547 times. No wonder the government want rid of it.
According to the Court's statistics, there have been 547 judgments concerning the UK up to the end of 2018. Of these, over half (315 found at least one violation of the European Convention on Human Rights, and about a quarter (141) found no violation
So- how am I better off?

 

[Billyzin]

Very good weegord.

Damn. Beat me to it.

 

[r00fie1]

What more do you expect me to say?

I would expect a quote from a credible source - like a business journal or a Government report.
Possibly a link to the 36B pounds and who / what / where is it being "saved" from?

"Take on VW" - are you suggesting that Government or private individuals take out a lawsuit against Volks Wagon?
Who has expressed an interest in doing that?
Who will pay to take it to court?
Which court would it be challenged in [Obviously not the European Court?!] and who would be the beneficiary of this lawsuit - if indeed it was successful?
Would it be the treasury?

What is it which we will be able to "tell Google" [when our system of justice and economic ties are severed in a few weeks time] which we cant already "tell" them?
What or who would this benefit the country - if Google listen or just ignore whatever some Minister says to that Global Corporation.

In what way are our laws "over environment and agricultural policy.....stricter than theirs"(?) - in the European Union?
There is a Common Agricultural Policy [C.A.P] which is "common" to all member states and we adhere to that policy.
How does the UK Agricultural Policy differ from the C.A.P?

Finally, could you just give me a clue how any of the above is going to make a positive impact on the British Economy and particularly families with children who have lost their jobs?

Will it mean Morgan Stanley will bring their multi-billion dollar banking business back from Frankfurt?

Will it mean that my local hospital will receive the funding to expand and replace the outdated inadequate building and resources it struggles with?

Will it mean the Great Western electrification and the Midland Main-Line electrification can be given the go-ahead to restart the uncompleted work?

When can we start building new social housing for the millions of homeless people and those in substandard and over-crowded accommodation across our country?

Will Middlesbrough get its brand-new station and return of a third platform to improve services to Teesside?

Will we GET OUR TRANSPORTER "BACK"?!

Speak to you soon.

 

[Adi_Dem]

£36 billion in annual fees saved.
No legal system above our own.
The ability to tell Google , Starbucks .... If you are in Ireland to save your taxes we will put a sales tax on you.
Take on VW and the other German car makers on the diesel deception in the same way the US has
The issue over environment and agricultural policy is that our laws are stricter than theirs. I don't want them weakening.

These have all been skewered several times in the past. No point going over them again in any detail. 4+ years and another post comes and goes with nothing but empty, meaningless jingo bingo.

Net effect of leaving dwarfs the annual fees saved.
There is no 'legal system above our own'. See: the privileged position within the EU, the way in which vetoes work etc etc etc. We always had sovereignty and I wager that there are absolutely no laws you can point to that you will happy to see go as a consequence of Brexit. And the real kicker is that any form of trade deal means yielding sovereignty in one way or another. Welcome to the real world.
We already have the ability to levy proper taxes on the companies you mention. If you believe that Brexit makes this (a) possible or (b) more likely then I have some magic beans you might be interested in.....
Diesel deception is just a ridiculous one. Class actions are already being pursued against VW and Mercedes for example.
The minimum standards are a floor not a ceiling. Brexit makes precisely no difference to our ability to have stricter rules and regulations. Whilst a member of the EU there was absolutely no impediment to exceeding the minimum standards. We already do impose stricter laws. For a basic example, the three pin plug. If you believe that Brexit will result in this country imposing tougher rules and regs than our EU counterparts then you are truly in cloud cuckoo land. Brexit has only ever been about levelling down.

 

[Centralscrutinizer]

Meanwhile our influence dwindles as we're not part of one of the trade superpowers

 

[Juan-sheet]

The ability to tell Google , Starbucks .... If you are in Ireland to save your taxes we will put a sales tax on you.

wasn't there someone recently who had this very idea but was told he was an idiot & it would mean tax revenue would actually go down if we don't give these companies massive tax discounts?

 

[Same_as_before]

In October 2019 , we had a retired Spanish solicitor with us. He was his leaving do in London and did not want to stay there for four nights.

He had a huge punt on the UK leaving the EC. He did that after I think it was the Dublin meeting where the EU would not budge. Our papers were full of Cameron looking stupid.

His logic was you cannot humiliate a country no matter which country it is. It handed Farage the cards.

You cannot blame the UK for everything.

Incidentally he thinks without the center of Spain from Valladolid down to Seville , the rest of the country would vote to leave. I would like Spanishmans view .

 

[Same_as_before]

How?
The money "saved" in membership of the EU will be lost in tariffs. Extra cost to business in paperwork. Extra cost to the tax payer in recruiting, training and keeping thousands of customs inspectors. Vehicle queues at ports.
Food prices will be going up.
There is nothing to stop the UK from telling Starbucks and google to pay more taxes at the moment. The EU will be doing just that soon anyway. As well as clamping down on tax havens- the real reason that Farage and co want to leave the EU.
Before joining the EU the UK was known as the "Dirty Man of Europe"- many UK rivers had so little oxygen in them that fish could not survive. It is EU legislation that has brought our environmental standards to where we are now.
As more and more vehicles are going electric the diesel deception is mute.
In 40 years the UK has appeared before the European Courts Of Human Rights 547 times. No wonder the government want rid of it.
According to the Court's statistics, there have been 547 judgments concerning the UK up to the end of 2018. Of these, over half (315 found at least one violation of the European Convention on Human Rights, and about a quarter (141) found no violation
So- how am I better off?

And that is why it is pointless putting any pro Brexit points on here.

 

[Way_Out_West]

And that is why it is pointless putting any pro Brexit points on here.

Because they can so easily be countered?

 

[Same_as_before]

Because they can so easily be countered?

It seems so.

 

[Ziggy]

The level playing field, Johnson version.
We would like access to your markets...but at the same time retaining the sovereign right to undercut them.

 

[Lefty]

In October 2019 , we had a retired Spanish solicitor with us. He was his leaving do in London and did not want to stay there for four nights.

He had a huge punt on the UK leaving the EC. He did that after I think it was the Dublin meeting where the EU would not budge. Our papers were full of Cameron looking stupid.

His logic was you cannot humiliate a country no matter which country it is. It handed Farage the cards.

You cannot blame the UK for everything.

Incidentally he thinks without the center of Spain from Valladolid down to Seville , the rest of the country would vote to leave. I would like Spanishmans view .

Another misconception, Cameron actually got quite a lot, far more than the EU ought to have given. Not that it made one difference to the reporting, that script was already written.

 

[r00fie1]

And that is why it is pointless putting any pro Brexit points on here.

Perhaps if you could reasonably justify your claims without resorting to insults and then sulking - might be a start

 

[Lefty]

Artie, I apologise for any offence and I didn’t mean to upset or annoy you. I’m also sorry to hear about what happened to you and your mrs. I do think you don’t understand the point I was trying to make. I was trying to say how messed up and broken this country is that my ex and my son could be better off financially if I’m not working, how is that even possible? No one has a kid for financial gain, the mountain of presents I wrapped for him today are testament to that. It’s not really relevant to Brexit any way.

I’m just sick of all the people on here suddenly becoming experts on things they know nothing about it. It’s pretty irritating for someone that knows diddly squat about my industry telling me how I’m going to be affected by Brexit when they don’t even work in it or know nothing about it. Someone copies and pastes a link that was probably written by someone of a similar opinion to their own and it suddenly becomes gospel or they know more than the person who actually does the job every day. Everyone is suddenly an expert when it suits their own agenda. I get it, it’s a divisive issue and some people don’t want Brexit but so many people are talking out their ****. You can keep telling me how my industry is going to suffer because you read an article from a pro remain source but I have every confidence the Anglo-Spanish IAG who I work for is going to be fine, they’ve repeatedly said it themselves since the referendum and they have deliberately chosen to remain neutral over Brexit.

Covid can definitely **** off though. I’ll be glad when covid and Brexit are over so we can get back to talking about how garbage our midfield is.

Knowing how Brexit will affect an industry requires two things, understanding Brexit and understanding the industry. On the former you have consistently shown complete ignorance, on the latter, how much insight does an engineer or a salesman or an odd job man have to the concerns of a CEO?

Your airline might be realtively ok, but one thing is certain, Brexit will have an effect on the UK economy as a whole and in such circumstances no business is completely immune. It's probably why cost cutting measures are being put in place right now, just in case, but also because they can.

 

[ticker_tape]

Perhaps if you could reasonably justify your claims without resorting to insults and then sulking - might be a start

Its an age thing by the looks of it. Theres no cure.

 

[SmallTown]

It seems so.

It is so. Sadly. It's what we've been trying to tell you for 4 years. I'm glad the penny has finally dropped.

For what it's worth I agree with you about membership fees. They are way higher than the subsidies we receive. Its just, for the first 6.5 years and counting, the current cost of brexit outweighs it. And that's assuming we will be spending no more on it (which I highly doubt) and we have no financial impact from it (which is looking unlikely)

 

[Laughing]

Perhaps if you could reasonably justify your claims without resorting to insults and then sulking - might be a start

To be fair roofie there is a fair bit of vitriol from both sides. It's a pointless argument. You cannot balance an emotional want v a financial loss. It's like talking someone who can't afford it, out of buying an expensive sports car. The heart wants what the heart wants. It defies rational explanation in all of us.

 

[SmallTown]

Oh and the pound today his just dropped steeply against the euro. So, in a single morning, we are all poorer. (Well, those of you paid in pounds, luckily I'm paid in euro)

 

[r00fie1]

Its an age thing by the looks of it. Theres no cure.

OK.

 

[r00fie1]

To be fair roofie there is a fair bit of vitriol from both sides. It's a pointless argument. You cannot balance an emotional want v a financial loss. It's like talking someone who can't afford it, out of buying an expensive sports car. The heart wants what the heart wants. It defies rational explanation in all of us.