the Electoral Commission says meant some people were "regrettably unable to vote"

[Caesium137]

Anyone who has a history of criminality should expect occasional stop and searches and questioning,

But that is the trouble surely, if the 'anyone' in the opinion of the bobby on the beat is a black male teenager? 'Anyone' is obviously intended as an individual in your example and the eyes of the law, but we all know that the law isn't applied like that in the main in most situations.

 

[Jedi boro]

The issue is not only about the requirement for ID either as the issue is also about the selective nature of ID accepted bus pass over 65 fine under 65 not acceptable.

Both issued at the same time from the place and both have the same security features so why one accepted the other not.

It stinks.

 

[coluka]

Did Wayne Couzens write this?

Eh?
I said There would and should need to be grounds for using any powers and if abused dealt with. ID cards would not stop a Couzens abusing power, but it may be a deterrent or identify a build up of risk relating to abuse via records and through complaints procedures. Police carry body cams and a record would and should be held of any such interaction where the public was required to provide details.

 

[coluka]

But that is the trouble surely, if the 'anyone' in the opinion of the bobby on the beat is a black male teenager? 'Anyone' is obviously intended as an individual in your example and the eyes of the law, but we all know that the law isn't applied like that in the main in most situations.

Maybe it isn’t, but the rules of the game can be changed and applied more appropriately and monitored. Body cam record of interaction being a must.

 

[coluka]

Skin colour shouldn't matter. Unfortunately it does. Black men are stopped much more frequently than white men. It's a fact.

But that is down to the rules, monitoring etc as they exist now, body cam recording and internal monitoring plus complaints procedures can be made to work for the person stopped as well as protecting the officer for doing so to justify actions as reasonable and equitable and abuse of powers would soon be highlighted I’d hope.

 

[asredastheycome]

Things I need ID for....

To be able to work
To go to school
Football (via FA)
To go to College
To got to Uni
To get married
To register a birth
To get a bank account
To get a mobile phone
DBS
etc
etc
etc


I really can't see the issue with showing said ID to vote. Its been going on in other countries for years without drama

But why do we need it though. Just because America has it ? News said this morning that there has been only one person ever prosecuted for voter fraud. Not so widespread is it.
I would be more ok about it if young people could use more photo ID as us olds can.

 

[Redwurzel]

I was rejecting some at the doors of the Polling Station and then rejected two at the reception desk.

The ones rejected at the door came back with something they could use.

Some knew the rules, but thought a poll card would be enough especially in a Village.

Ref the ones that were rejected inside -

One came in with a birth certificate and a photograph of her and her former husband. She was disabled and that stopped her travelling abroad, on buses, and driving.

Another said he only had a paper driving licence and when asked about a passport he said he never left the County never mind the Country.

Both declined the option of going to the election office and getting a Voting Certificate form made up. This could have been done before 5pm. The acceptable photo ID was fully explained to them.

Everyone was pleasant, but I felt sad about the two elderly voters. They were who they said they were.

A polling station in my experience can cover between 400 and 900 potential voters, so 2 was not a large percentage.

Anyone rejected or turned away was recorded on a tally sheet.

What we don't know those who were put off going to the polling station.

 

[Jedi boro]

But why do we need it though. Just because America has it ? News said this morning that there has been only one person ever prosecuted for voter fraud. Not so widespread is it.
I would be more ok about it if young people could use more photo ID as us olds can.

We don’t need it that’s the reality

 

[asredastheycome]

I bought a new Pass ID Card this week to open a new business bank account. I used it to vote but it was rejected by the bank. I have an old paper driving licence like several million (over 8million) of us and my passport has expired. There are a lot of people out there without photo ID.

You can use an expired passport that is 6 years out of date I think. As long as you look like your photo.

 

[Nano]

I bought a new Pass ID Card this week to open a new business bank account. I used it to vote but it was rejected by the bank. I have an old paper driving licence like several million (over 8million) of us and my passport has expired. There are a lot of people out there without photo ID.

Expired passports are allowed I believe.

I don't believe the crossover of people that are proactive enough to register to vote, and will actively go and vote, yet not able to apply for a form of ID is very high. The people that don't have a form of ID are probably those that also don't bother registering to vote and don't bother going out to vote anyway.

I still don't see the need for voter ID and I recognise it is a tactic to disenfranchise by the Tories but I still can't see it having any impact on people that want to vote.

 

[coluka]

The rules would change constantly and people wouldn't be aware of their rights. Look at who the PCC is, do you really think he'd fight your corner once wrongdoing occurs?

There's no need for ID in this country.

I think there is every need for ID in this country, without it how would police go about identifying people, we all carry it on our fingertips, our faces, DNA anyway, are you against driving licences, passports etc, hopefully not. If you go to Boro games and are over 65 I think you need to provide ID for concession prices, should the club just accept a persons word?

ID isn’t the problem it is the fear of how it might be used, but look how criminals try to use the lack of it to their advantage, more is to be gained than lost in my view providing rules are fair, equitable and applied reasonably and abuse can be dealt with fairly.

 

[Cardiffdaffs]

The issue of id has not affected this result and the numbers are relatively low that weren't able to vote. I guess that is not surprising as people who vote in local elections tend to be more politically savvy and motivated.

Come the GE I think we will see a great deal more problems with this.

 

[Redwurzel]

Expired passports and driving licences were allowed, but only if the likeness in the photo is similar.

To take an extreme I have a family passport from around 1971, my mum has changed a bit.

 

[Corcaigh_the_Cat]

I think there is every need for ID in this country, without it how would police go about identifying people, we all carry it on our fingertips, our faces, DNA anyway, are you against driving licences, passports etc, hopefully not. If you go to Boro games and are over 65 I think you need to provide ID for concession prices, should the club just accept a persons word?

ID isn’t the problem it is the fear of how it might be used, but look how criminals try to use the lack of it to their advantage, more is to be gained than lost in my view providing rules are fair, equitable and applied reasonably and abuse can be dealt with fairly.

How do police identify people now, how have they done so in the past?

 

[coluka]

How do police identify people now, how have they done so in the past?

You ignored my questions, why?

To answer yours though, In part through I.D cards like driving licences, fingerprints from past arrests, DNA etc. unfortunately not all criminals are previous offenders so some of this data may not be readily available, not all drivers of cars hold licences. Some offenders are not correctly identified and abscond never to be seen again leaving victims without closure and police without prosecution.

 

[Laughing]

But that is down to the rules, monitoring etc as they exist now, body cam recording and internal monitoring plus complaints procedures can be made to work for the person stopped as well as protecting the officer for doing so to justify actions as reasonable and equitable and abuse of powers would soon be highlighted I’d hope.

In a utopia you might have a point. We don't live in a utopia nor are we ever likely to.

A bigger question might be, why should the police have powers to Id individuals whom there is no evidence against?

I can't think of a single reason why this is a good idea.

Our current system of having a clear and articulated suspicion is fine.

 

[Chris_Boro]

The issue of id has not affected this result and the numbers are relatively low that weren't able to vote. I guess that is not surprising as people who vote in local elections tend to be more politically savvy and motivated.

Come the GE I think we will see a great deal more problems with this.

Scale is important.

Local elections traditionally have low turnout with wards decided on candidates getting a few hundred votes. A small number of people can literally mean a different result.

More barriers to vote is not required. Voter ID is a solution that is trying to find a problem.

 

[Rofesleg]

The problem with ID cards is it will extend to being legally required to identify yourself to a police officer. Right now you don't unless you are suspected of committing a crime. Furthermore the officer has to articulate which crime he suspects you may have committed.

Essentially, up to no good isn't good enough

Isn't this just a big assumption? It is being debated on here as though it is a fact and the policy is about to be implemented.
Even with ID cards, police might still need to suspect you of a crime before asking you to identify yourself.

 

[ska66]

Just register to do a postal vote.

 

[Laughing]

Isn't this just a big assumption? It is being debated on here as though it is a fact and the policy is about to be implemented.
Even with ID cards, police might still need to suspect you of a crime before asking you to identify yourself.

Id cards wouldn't change the law, you are right. It may well be used as a first step in changing the law.