Tory Voters

[r00fie1]

Its unfair to dawb people with the same brush.
I will always stand my own ground, but saying everybody who voted for X, Y or Z = whatever, is neither scientific nor objective.

There are all sorts of reasons people vote and often attitudes and experience effects priorities and they have the choice to vote for who they like.

Thats not to say I have to agree with who they vote for [right or wrong].

None of us know the full ins and outs of other peoples circumstances, and we have no right to deny someone that which we [as a civilised society] have in place, to care for others as well as ourselves.

The day when clinical practitioners decide who to treat dependent on their voting habits, reminds me of how Hitlers SS used to arbitrarily decide who [as they alighted from the cattle trucks] would be lead into the gas chambers first.

 

[Cooper671]

Nice post.

I believe in democracy and in the UK everyone can vote anyway they see fit for any reason they see fit. It’s their right and voting is the greatest right you’ll ever have. I would never criticise any for voting the way they did, it’s their choice and should be respected no matter what the reason. Unfortunately some seemingly like to take morale higher ground and believe it is ok to attack the basic right that we all have and criticise others.

 

[Erimus74]

Its unfair to dawb people with the same brush.
I will always stand my own ground, but saying everybody who voted for X, Y or Z = whatever, is neither scientific nor objective.

There are all sorts of reasons people vote and often attitudes and experience effects priorities and they have the choice to vote for who they like.

Thats not to say I have to agree with who they vote for [right or wrong].

None of us know the full ins and outs of other peoples circumstances, and we have no right to deny someone that which we [as a civilised society] have in place, to care for others as well as ourselves.

The day when clinical practitioners decide who to treat dependent on their voting habits, reminds me of how Hitlers SS used to arbitrarily decide who [as they alighted from the cattle trucks] would be lead into the gas chambers first.

Good post roofie,

 

[HarryVegas]

Wahey, me & Coops have agreed! I'll not take the OP seriously; we all get irate now and again, no matter which side of the political fence we are but a free, confidential vote is something people fought long and hard for, and its continuation should never be taken for granted nor ever threatened with dire consequences for not voting 'the right way'.

 

[nowthen]

Wishing ill on others is not a good look.

That said I personally have never been able to fathom why anybody on Teesside would vote Conservative. I'm sure they have their reasons however criminal underfunding of Health & Social care over the last decade can't be one of them surely.

The current Tory 'love-in' with the NHS hasn't always been the case. You don't have to dig too far below the surface or go that far back in the past to come across examples of their dislike of what the NHS stands for. It was, after all, the brainchild of a socialist, Aneurin Bevan.

Because I love my sport and my country, the example of right wing dislike of the NHS I will point to is the 2012 Olympics Opening Ceremony when its creation was celebrated in a 20 minute segment. The Americans were baffled, they couldn't understand it (who cares) and that 'Lefty' Danny Boyle who directed the ceremony came in for a fair amount of criticism from the right wing press, commentators and politicians alike.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ng-ceremony-team-was-put-under-political-pre/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ribute-NHS-Mary-Poppins-Opening-Ceremony.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...-ceremony-The-night-set-NHS-reform-years.html

This.

 

[Cooper671]

Wahey, me & Coops have agreed! I'll not take the OP seriously; we all get irate now and again, no matter which side of the political fence we are but a free, confidential vote is something people fought long and hard for, and its continuation should never be taken for granted nor ever threatened with dire consequences for not voting 'the right way'.

Hey Harry.... have to agree sometime. The OP does it this on various threads. He hasn’t lost his rag.... just a troll looking for bites

 

[Zoophonic]

Well he seems to have done a good job given we are on page 3.

Best ignored from the outset.

 

[360]

Not trolling at all - just stating my opinion.

I don't see how it is unfair to say that if you voted to decimate an essential service, it's only fair that you go to the back of the queue. If the NHS funding is so unimportant to you that people will suffer because of your reckless vote, surely it's only fair that you take a step back and let compassionate people go before you?

Might help this country's gene pool as well. Win-win.

 

[Erimus74]

Yep definetly trolling

 

[Marvanelli]

Yep definetly trolling

Without doubt.

Not a very good troll neither.

 

[Corcaigh_the_Cat]

I believe in democracy too, I'd love this country to start moving towards being one.

 

[FabioPorkpie]

Not trolling at all - just stating my opinion.

I don't see how it is unfair to say that if you voted to decimate an essential service, it's only fair that you go to the back of the queue. If the NHS funding is so unimportant to you that people will suffer because of your reckless vote, surely it's only fair that you take a step back and let compassionate people go before you?

Might help this country's gene pool as well. Win-win.

The problem is that many Tory voters are completely unaware of the consequences of their vote.
As goes for some people on all sides of the debate, they don’t understand enough about where the money goes or where the government’s true priorities lie.
It isn’t their fault if a combination of poor education and perhaps poor upbringing due to poor social economic conditions, means they don’t clearly see the bigger picture.

Those who vote Tory out of unwitting ignorance or because of manipulation, have my sympathy. While they are essentially part of the problem, they are not the cause of the problem.
They deserve their place in the service queue as much as you and I do.

 

[Nobby_Barnes]

P R A T

 

[Erimus74]

The problem is that many Tory voters are completely unaware of the consequences of their vote.
As goes for some people on all sides of the debate, they don’t understand enough about where the money goes or where the government’s true priorities lie.
It isn’t their fault if a combination of poor education and perhaps poor upbringing due to poor social economic conditions, means they don’t clearly see the bigger picture.

Those who vote Tory out of unwitting ignorance or because of manipulation, have my sympathy. While they are essentially part of the problem, they are not the cause of the problem.
They deserve their place in the service queue as much as you and I do.

Good post Fabio, but then you have always come across as a sensible, polite poster

 

[boromike85]

Not trolling at all - just stating my opinion.

I don't see how it is unfair to say that if you voted to decimate an essential service, it's only fair that you go to the back of the queue. If the NHS funding is so unimportant to you that people will suffer because of your reckless vote, surely it's only fair that you take a step back and let compassionate people go before you?

Might help this country's gene pool as well. Win-win.

Surely you see that this opinion is moronic though? Nobody votes for services to be decimated, Tory voters just think that they can make public services more efficient and by strengthening the economy there will be more money as a whole to spend on public services. Conversely, Labour are traditionally more big state and believe that everything that could be provided by the state should be. This could be seen as anti-business. By your logic any Labour voter should be at the back of the queue for jobs. It doesn't make sense. We don't vote for individual policies so you can't stratify the electorate on individual policies.

You understand that your opinion is illogical, right?

 

[Evil]

I voted Tory, and yes, I am disgusted with many aspects of this. But you cannot lump everyone in the same pot, its a pretty abhorrent personality trait actually.

I've not furloughed my staff, taken anything from the government and our business is haemorrhaging cash, so keep your virtuous opinions to yourself.

 

[atypical_boro]

Surely you see that this opinion is moronic though? Nobody votes for services to be decimated, Tory voters just think that they can make public services more efficient and by strengthening the economy there will be more money as a whole to spend on public services. Conversely, Labour are traditionally more big state and believe that everything that could be provided by the state should be. This could be seen as anti-business. By your logic any Labour voter should be at the back of the queue for jobs. It doesn't make sense. We don't vote for individual policies so you can't stratify the electorate on individual policies.

You understand that your opinion is illogical, right?

I'm not entirely convinced that the 'Tory vote' is usually born out of a desire to spend *more* on public services. I agree with the rest of your post though.

 

[Erimus74]

TBH, the vast majority will put a political post across in a polite & respectful way, there are only 3 or 4 who are bitter to the point they will come on this forum & wish ill on fellow people, that alone just shows the type of people they are

 

[Lefty]

hmm

Some people on this thread

How dare you call me stupid for voting for Brexit, despite not knowing which Brexit I was getting, appreciating the complexity of it, that it wouldn't solve most of the problems I thought it would, create a hell of a lot more, that some of the things I thought were problems in any case actually weren't and when it comes to experts, whereas I'd normally take note of the overwhelming weight of opinion of those with greater knowledge than me, this time I decided instead to ignore a majority of experts in every field affected in favour of a few fringe crackpots and shyster politicians?

How very dare you indeed! I am entitled to my opinion, have just as much right to one as you and therefore even if it is ignorant, not thought through, lazy, misinformed and subject to confirmation bias and motivated reasoning, I cannot be stupid because I have a perfect right to be .... er....

Also, some people on this thread:

The OP's opinions are stupid!

 

[Erimus11]

hmm

Some people on this thread

How dare you call me stupid for voting for Brexit, despite not knowing which Brexit I was getting, appreciating the complexity of it, that it wouldn't solve most of the problems I thought it would, create a hell of a lot more, that some of the things I thought were problems in any case actually weren't and when it comes to experts, whereas I'd normally take note of the overwhelming weight of opinion of those with greater knowledge than me, this time I decided instead to ignore a majority of experts in every field affected in favour of a few fringe crackpots and shyster politicians?

How very dare you indeed! I am entitled to my opinion, have just as much right to one as you and therefore even if it is ignorant, not thought through, lazy, misinformed and subject to confirmation bias and motivated reasoning, I cannot be stupid because I have a perfect right to be .... er....

Also, some people on this thread:

The OP's opinions are stupid!

Its neck and neck between you and 360 as to who to have more disregard for.

Why do you feel so angry about the fact that people are actually allowed to have different views and opinions to yours?

You appear to be a very angry and lonely person - chill out and enjoy the match , or disagree with every comment made during the match

Oh, and 360's opinions aren't just stupid, they can be quite insulting and, quite disrespectful - qualities that will get him a place at the top table for The Clique's night out