coluka
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What is my view? Please explain and why you hold that opinion?Still he has a similar view so some evidence…..
What is my view? Please explain and why you hold that opinion?Still he has a similar view so some evidence…..
You think i have a similar view, why? I appreciate the previous acknowledgement btw, purely debate reasons, not stirring.Yeah, I know, but on the point he raised with me Col was correct.
I’m sure it will get a lot worse before it gets better but I don’t see any other outcome. Capitalism will wring every last penny out of the system until people demand change. Even if it’s legislated against or taxed to the point of making human labour competitive, why would you force somebody to do the work a machine can do just to earn a wage when you could tax the profits generated by the machine to pay the human instead? A happy human with lots of leisure time may be able to contribute to society in other ways.I am staunch socialst so seems like eutopia to me however some people will always want more property and wealth than their fellow man how is that possible with zero jobs. Will automation and AI make capitalism a dead duck
'It would attract all sorts of wrong attitudes' and 'the same place to support your stance I would guess' , suggests to me you have a similar view to facefuzz on UBI. I wasn't sure I knew enough about UBI hence my view that we should await the results of the study, before making definitive judgements. I've spent the last 20 minutes or so, reading a report about UBI by the Joseph Rowntree foundation and in my view admittedly with only that report to refer to, UBI has more benefits than drawbacks. Especially so, when on the same day there are reports of increases in child poverty, particularly in the North East. Still don't know if I should be upset by the eyes or not.You think i have a similar view, why? I appreciate the previous acknowledgement btw, purely debate reasons, not stirring.
Presently for people of pensionable age - there is a minimum income of at least £950/month
If you compensate for regional variations which you seem to be suggesting then it just endorses regional disaparity we should be encouraging people to migrate north.Before minimum wage was introduced, I'm pretty sure that similar arguments were made against it as are being used against UBI.
My view is that perhaps the UBI payment would need to take account of where people live, a bit like some salary payments do.
1600 goes loads further in the North east than the south east due to cost of housing.
I think if we don't have UBI then in the long term there will be an incredible amount of civil unrest as people will not choose starving to death over looting a supermarket to get food.
NoIs it TAX free!
Energy will never be free.A universal basic income will have to be introduced at some point because very few people will work. Not in my lifetime, but probably my kids lifetime.
Ultimately if energy is free, almost everything becomes free.
No. It's a universal basic income. It's an amount everyone gets that allows them to mane life choices with a chunk less worry. If minimum wage is currently too low then maybe opponents off UBI shouldn't have also opposed minimum wage increases.UBI is that. It’s basic income. The income to get by, food, clothes, roof and energy.
£1600 is not basic and is not much less than a lot of people’s take home pay for a full time job.
You're heading into conspiracy theory territory here. People already have their benefits frozen for spurious reasons.Look up CBDC's which are potentially linked to UBI
No. It's a universal basic income. It's an amount everyone gets that allows them to mane life choices with a chunk less worry. If minimum wage is currently too low then maybe opponents off UBI shouldn't have also opposed minimum wage
I think this is the point isn't it?In my opinion we will soon be able to grow clones of ourselves, and send them out to do the work. And also robots will be doing most of the jobs anyway.
OK. If you say so. A little more detail would be nice?Energy will never be free.