LessoftheLip
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So you're still a Labour member then? Good to knowFor your information though, I was a Labour member until Blair's Iraq adventure and then I joined again when Corbyn became leader.
So you're still a Labour member then? Good to knowFor your information though, I was a Labour member until Blair's Iraq adventure and then I joined again when Corbyn became leader.
NoSo you're still a Labour member then? Good to know
To be fair it's been 20 points, give or take for over a year now. I still look in, but it's not telling us anything new.I am desperate for a GE just to end this thread!
Yeah I know. I was referring to the infighting of those who support Labour.To be fair it's been 20 points, give or take for over a year now. I still look in, but it's not telling us anything new.
** peww** ** peww**Yeah I know. I was referring to the infighting of those who support Labour.
Just get these thieving charlatans out and worry about what happens over the next five years as it happens. Labour, in whatever guise, cannot effect any change from the opposition benches. Hopefully when (if) they win the GE with a big enough majority they can start to make a positive difference to ordinary people’s lives, the country as a whole and as well as start to restore our standing in the eyes of other nations (maybe not necessarily as a power etc but just as a nation with morals, that isn’t plagued with corruption, that doesn’t ride roughshod over law in the charge for self gratification and money for those in power, and that can be trusted etc).
Anyway, no doubt I’ll get pellets for the above but so be it.
We will see h m.** peww** ** peww**
Agree, but with power comes corruption.
Lobbyists. Donors. Friendly foreign businessmen. Sh*t WILL happen, it's inevitable. But what labour can't do is rinse the country on an industrial scale in full view, as the Tories have been doing for 14 years.
Desperately need some honesty back in politics. But with the likes of the Labour NEC in power......still think shenanigans will be afoot.
We shall see
Anyway, no doubt I’ll get pellets for the above but so be it.
I think he was firing pellets at you** peww** ** peww**
What does that mean?
I agree with the general sentiment but I disagree with the idea we can just sit back and see what happens.Just get these thieving charlatans out and worry about what happens over the next five years as it happens. Labour, in whatever guise, cannot effect any change from the opposition benches. Hopefully when (if) they win the GE with a big enough majority they can start to make a positive difference to ordinary people’s lives, the country as a whole and as well as start to restore our standing in the eyes of other nations (maybe not necessarily as a power etc but just as a nation with morals, that isn’t plagued with corruption, that doesn’t ride roughshod over law in the charge for self gratification and money for those in power, and that can be trusted etc).
Ah ok, hadn’t realised that autocorrect / predictive text had wrongly assumed again that the word i’d typed (pelters) was incorrect so was confused.I think he was firing pellets at you
I agree with the general sentiment but I disagree with the idea we can just sit back and see what happens.
I think it was Maya Angelou that said "when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time". Starmer has repeatedly shown that he can't be trusted with anything that a traditional Labour supported would expect to be high on the agenda for a first-term Labour government.
History shows us that Labour get progressively less ambitous the longer they are in office.
The country needs a big shake-up.
We're being told that privatisations of e.g. Water, Rail have to wait as now isn't the right time depsite the massive failings of both.
We're being told that the private sector needs more access to the NHS.
We're being told that something as simple as a wealth tax (i.e. on unearned income) is too socialist and might scare off the wealthy (despite all evidence to the contrary).
It isn't a good starting point and it needs to be called out.
Historically, the PLP has distanced itself from the NEC once in Government and expect that to continue under Starmer, who will understand he governs for the whole country. Blair pretty much ignored the NEC. The problem with him was the face-off with the Treasury meant that he often governed via 'kitchen cabinet' of trusted aides. Nevertheless, there were always big hitters - Blunkett, Straw, Prescott, Cook - who needed to be consulted.with the likes of the Labour NEC in power......still think shenanigans will be afoot.
We shall see
The entire thread can be condensed to this sentiment [and the associated fatigue of arguing with those who, mystifyingly, disagree]. Labour, in whatever guise, cannot effect any change from the opposition benches.
His spelling is poor. It should be Pugh, Pugh, Barney McGrew.** peww** ** peww**
What does that mean?
Labour, in whatever guise, cannot effect any change from the opposition benches.
This is nonsense. Our system of government is based on there being an opposition in the Commons and checks/balances in the Lords.The entire thread can be condensed to this sentiment [and the associated fatigue of arguing with those who, mystifyingly, disagree]
We do oppose. We just pick our battles so as not to frighten elements of the fragile coalition we have assembled, which of needs includes a large proportion of people who have previously voted ToryThis is nonsense. Our system of government is based on there being an opposition in the Commons and checks/balances in the Lords.
The narrative that the opposition just has to sit and wait until they get a turn at 'power' is VERY recent.
The idea that the Tories might steal policies/ideas and ruin them is also something that has crept in under Starmer.
Corbyn forced no end of U-Turns on Tory policy just by opposing it. If the Tories said they were going to follow through on a Labour idea they were then opposed and questioned when they didn't follow through.
Not opposing is tacit agreement. Which is why people like me don't trust Starmer, Streeting, Reeves et al.
So Labour CAN effect change from the opposition benches?We do oppose. We just pick our battles so as not to frighten elements of the fragile coalition we have assembled, which of needs includes a large proportion of people who have previously voted Tory