Liverpool fans

Just spoke to a mate who's a Liverpool fan and was at the game. His version:

Several of the turnstiles just stopped working. Fans with legitimate tickets couldn't get through. Police shut those turnstiles, closed the gates in front of them and moved the fans on to other entrances, but with almost zero communication. This meant you had large numbers of fans heading against the planned flow of people, trying to merge with yet more fans who were already at those turnstiles (now grossly inadequate for the numbers of people trying to get in), and then being told their tickets weren't valid because they were now trying to enter through the "wrong" turnstile.

He said it's the most afraid he's ever been at a match, and he can't believe that everyone appears to have escaped without serious injury.
 
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All the journo's , radio ,tv people have the same story, it was a badly managed / Policed event , that is not a coincidence , why on earth some blame fans constantly is mental , 99% are decent & genuine , sadly bent buggers like Uefa & their cohorts ,are not
 
r00fie1 said:
What a disgusting, uninformed, presumptuous and condescending pile of nonsense.
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TBH roofie everyone is presuming what went wrong ATM. No doubt things will become clearer. 👍

EDIT: Bitmore info on thread than when I replied to your Page 1 post.
 
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Aet290204 said:
I can’t be a proper football fan. I literally have no idea why anyone ticketless would spend good money on just travelling, let alone travelling and trying to get access illegally. Trouble and angst just seems to follow Liverpool fans around.
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Know lads who travel to loads of Boro away games but rarely go to match. God knows why.
 
Looking at various footage and news reports ( including a detailed report from sky), I would say the Liverpool fans were remarkably restrained under the circumstances.
And I'm certainly one who has had certain prejudices against their fanbase historically.
 
Pre match, media outlets were saying how good it is 50 / 60,000 'reds' were descending on Paris for the match, even Klippety asked them to go even without tickets !!

As allocation was less than 20K, do you think 30/40,000 inebriated bindippers would just stay away ? Not a chance.

Official trips, buses etc should have only transported those with tickets. (Twitter has been full of lads going by car, buses etc without tickets)
 
Pear-Drops said:
Pre match, media outlets were saying how good it is 50 / 60,000 'reds' were descending on Paris for the match, even Klippety asked them to go even without tickets !!

As allocation was less than 20K, do you think 30/40,000 inebriated bindippers would just stay away ? Not a chance.

Official trips, buses etc should have only transported those with tickets. (Twitter has been full of lads going by car, buses etc without tickets)
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Loads of Boro fans went to Eindhoven without tickets. What's your point exactly?
 
Having seen plenty of information from various sources it definitely seems bad organisation and stewarding was the main factor. It wouldn't surprise me if the French authorities were spooked pre-game about thousands of fans "jibbing" their way into the game. That probably resulted in attempting to essentially herd thousands into a small area.
 
r00fie1 said:
What a disgusting, uninformed, presumptuous and condescending pile of nonsense.
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How exactly is my point any of these?

There is plenty of evidence of Liverpool fans getting into the ground under false pretences. You're defending the indefensible.

Those with genuine tickets who got caught in the melee should be asking questions of their fellow 'supporters' as this no doubt a major contributing factor into the heavy handedness of the French police.
 
northernrower said:
How exactly is my point any of these?

There is plenty of evidence of Liverpool fans getting into the ground under false pretences. You're defending the indefensible.

Those with genuine tickets who got caught in the melee should be asking questions of their fellow 'supporters' as this no doubt a major contributing factor into the heavy handedness of the French police.
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Im "defending" nobody.
Your opening mantra "always the victims" says it all.
Being Judge and Jury before we know the facts is not our prerogative.
I`l leave it at that.
 
asredastheycome said:
TBH roofie everyone is presuming what went wrong ATM. No doubt things will become clearer. 👍

EDIT: Bitmore info on thread than when I replied to your Page 1 post.
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Cheers.(y)
I`ve just been on the garden, having spent hours posting about Trees and Terriers! 🌳🐕
Im going to get a cup of T🍵:)
 
Nero said:
Having seen plenty of information from various sources it definitely seems bad organisation and stewarding was the main factor. It wouldn't surprise me if the French authorities were spooked pre-game about thousands of fans "jibbing" their way into the game. That probably resulted in attempting to essentially herd thousands into a small area.
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The authorities - UEFA and the French including the coppers - would have been planning this since Paris was named CL final 2022. As English teams have regularly reached the final, it would have been common sense to at least have a contingency plan in place for 40-50-60 thousand ticketless fans descending on Paris. English fans have done this regularly since the 70s. So too many fans, not enough tickets = dodgy tickets to be produced en-masse. So how to stop this. It can't be stopped. But how to manage this? Surely a two ring security cordon was blindingly obvious. First one, all the dodgy tickets were stopped. Next one fans get into the stadium. 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️. An alternative more cynical view would be the French expected the Liverpool fans to kick off so the Police have a field day with their battons, CS and pepper spray.......however the vast majority of the Liverpool fans being impeccably behaved and the arrival of local youths kicking off kind of put a damper on things. Although there was a knobhead element of the Liverpool support, the organisation must be the main instigator in what happened.
 
h_m_boro said:
The authorities - UEFA and the French including the coppers - would have been planning this since Paris was named CL final 2022. As English teams have regularly reached the final, it would have been common sense to at least have a contingency plan in place for 40-50-60 thousand ticketless fans descending on Paris. English fans have done this regularly since the 70s. So too many fans, not enough tickets = dodgy tickets to be produced en-masse. So how to stop this. It can't be stopped. But how to manage this? Surely a two ring security cordon was blindingly obvious. First one, all the dodgy tickets were stopped. Next one fans get into the stadium. 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️. An alternative more cynical view would be the French expected the Liverpool fans to kick off so the Police have a field day with their battons, CS and pepper spray.......however the vast majority of the Liverpool fans being impeccably behaved and the arrival of local youths kicking off kind of put a damper on things. Although there was a knobhead element of the Liverpool support, the organisation must be the main instigator in what happened.
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Err the game was transferred to Paris as was due to be played in Russia…
 
chickenrunner said:
It's clear that ordinary, genuine fans have been treated deplorably and they've done nothing wrong. Worst of all kids have been clearly very shaken by their awful experiences.
However in a search for answers we just love to blame the 'faceless authorities'. When the 'faceless authorities' are Johnny foreigner so much the better.
How about we throw some personal responsibility into the mix for once. Responsibility to do as asked, to follow the rules, not to turn up at the ground ticketless, not to purchase tickets other than through proper channels. It's not that difficult but boorish, selfish, boastful t**ts who think they're "not doing any 'arm mate" once again spoil it for others. How about we call those b***ds out this time.

Edit: Change the bloody thread title. The thread is valid, the title is not.
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That's a fair point. Thread title changed 👍
 
Nosmo-King said:
Err the game was transferred to Paris as was due to be played in Russia…
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I know. Assumption being that Paris would be used to holding big events - football, rugby, TDF - so would be able to cope with the masses of people and would already have a plan in place. 50-60k ticketless fans turning up should not have been a surprise so should have been planned for. Didn't look as though any proactive planning was thought out - purely left to a reactive plan by the coppers.
 
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