Brexit benefits part 3453

Redpete said:
Ha clearly you didn't bother reading past the headline.Its not actually going to be implemented until OCTOBER not next week and the reason is SOME products have been upgraded to A MEDIUM RISK IS to protect our Bio-security.

Now I am no expert on Bio-security but those who are seem to think this measure is required to protect our farmers and their crops and as we are no longer a member of the European Union we can presumably make our own rules.

Had similar checks been in-place on Ash plants back in 2012 it could well of prevented the introduction of Ash Dieback into the UK.

Ash Dieback is estimated to cost the UK 15 Billion pounds. Considerably more than the 200 million you mention

So to answer your original question . Yes I do feel POSSIBLE delays are reasonable to ensure our Bio-security.

Of course my argument is mostly speculation but then again so is yours.
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Speculation based on something that is definitely happening they can't just indefinitely delay the checks
 
festa5 said:
I don't really want to pile on, but you can't really have been "against brexit full stop" and then gone on to vote for putting head honcho brexit idiot number 1 Boris Johnson in power. If you were as against brexit as others you wouldn't have gone anywhere near them.
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Why? Given I said and it's painfully obvious labour would also have implemented brexit
 
Speculation in that there MAY be delays and it MIGHT cost £200 million.

Also was my reply thought out enough for you?
 
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Redpete said:
Speculation in that there MAY be delays and it MIGHT cost £200 million.

Also was my reply thought out enough for you?
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There will be delays. It's factored into the plans of anyone involved in importing and exporting.

It'll cost a lot more than £200 million in trade as that £200 million is just the price increase in fruit and vegetables that is currently traded. A lot of people will just leave the market or restrict their participation. If delays are encountered not at the ports, then everything coming in or going out will be caught up in the chaos, whether it falls within the new rules or not.

Once the veterinary inspections for meat products come into place there will be additional delays and costs that impact the supply chains further. I've just left the Dutch company I was working for as they've decided to stop targeting the UK. They're not particularly going to be caught up specifically, but all the logistics agents they use are advising them to stay clear of the UK and charging them additionally for UK deliveries and not guaranteeing any transit times.
 
Unravel_Morrison said:
There will be delays. It's factored into the plans of anyone involved in importing and exporting.
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Thanks for your input as its based on your experience and understanding unlike Small Town who just looks for click bait headlines.

I read a report about our Bio Security and he was pointing out how pre The EU the UK had one of the strongest Bio security records in the world alongside the likes of New Zealand and Australia but this had been diluted once we joined the EU.

I presume these measures mentioned in the article and what you state about meat is to reduce our Bio security risk.

Obviously any delay at our ports is not ideal but as I mentioned if it prevents something similar to Dieback or say a foot and mouth outbreak then how can that be a bad thing.

Again this is based on nothing other than logical thinking.
 
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Unravel_Morrison said:
There will be delays. It's factored into the plans of anyone involved in importing and exporting.

It'll cost a lot more than £200 million in trade as that £200 million is just the price increase in fruit and vegetables that is currently traded. A lot of people will just leave the market or restrict their participation. If delays are encountered not at the ports, then everything coming in or going out will be caught up in the chaos, whether it falls within the new rules or not.

Once the veterinary inspections for meat products come into place there will be additional delays and costs that impact the supply chains further. I've just left the Dutch company I was working for as they've decided to stop targeting the UK. They're not particularly going to be caught up specifically, but all the logistics agents they use are advising them to stay clear of the UK and charging them additionally for UK deliveries and not guaranteeing any transit times.
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Agreed. Exporters, importers, haulage, and logistics companies will decide it's no longer worth the hassle. They'll focus on other markets with more amenable trade regimes.
 
SmallTown said:
You think extra checks WON'T cause delays? I'd like to see your working on that one
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AH regardless, you're a brexiteeer so you'll always deny and distract. It's what you do. We'll revisit when the check come in and see if I'm correct. If soo, ti'll be interesting to see the new excuse you dream up, or who you blame next
 
JackG said:
Agreed. Exporters, importers, haulage, and logistics companies will decide it's no longer worth the hassle. They'll focus on other markets with more amenable trade regimes.
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This is pure speculation. I mean, it isn't, but that's what a brexiteer would say
 
I was quoting your original click bait link.

Its not about being a Brexiter or not its about spreading misinformation.

For your information I was actually undecided re Brexit and decided not to vote as I could see both sides were telling whoppers.

Plus its not about if there are delays but are those delays justifiable.
 
Redpete said:
I was quoting your original click bait link.

Its not about being a Brexiter or not its about spreading misinformation.

For your information I was actually undecided re Brexit and decided not to vote as I could see both sides were telling whoppers.

Plus its not about if there are delays but are those delays justifiable.
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Like you, I didn't feel confident enough to vote either way.
What I did do though was make sure I didn't then vote for an incompetent chancer to lead us through what would obviously be a complicated process.
 
Redpete said:
As you enjoy spreading misinformation is that an admission you are a Brexiter as well as a Troll.
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Nope. I unless find it silly that sometimes internet debate builds down to this. I accuse brexiters of spreading misinformation because, well, they do. And your entire reposes is to try and say the same about me "I know you are but what am I??"

Mate, that level of "debate" stopped working when we were 12. I know you can't defend brexit, so instead of doing that you have to attack me, but you know I'm right in thinking it is a terrible idea.
 
SmallTown said:
Why? Given I said and it's painfully obvious labour would also have implemented brexit
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Considering one of the main reasons Brexiters in places like Redcar gave for not voting Labour was that they weren't convinced Labour would implement Brexit, I think "painfully obvious" is a stretch.

Redpete said:
I read a report about our Bio Security and he was pointing out how pre The EU the UK had one of the strongest Bio security records in the world alongside the likes of New Zealand and Australia but this had been diluted once we joined the EU.
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Whilst in the EU we were one of the main drivers of change and pushed a whole host of quality standards. The idea that the EU was somehow held in stasis and we were just a helpless fellow traveller isn't accurate.

If there were issues with Bio Security (and I'm not saying there weren't, as I don't know the detail) we were in a position to affect change across the EU. If we didn't it's because we either (a) chose not to, or (b) were hamstrung by people like Farage using their MEP status to block measures that would improve standards.

Brexit, as envisioned by the people who've invested most in pushing it, will degrade standards and regulation even further. That's the whole point.
 
Scrote said:
Considering one of the main reasons Brexiters in places like Redcar gave for not voting Labour was that they weren't convinced Labour would implement Brexit, I think "painfully obvious" is a stretch.
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I meant painfully obvious to people who thought critically about it. Unfortunately things the are "painfully obvious" to brexiteers are whatever lies they get sold.
 
Redpete said:
Plus its not about if there are delays but are those delays justifiable.
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Whether the delays are justifiable isn't an issue. They are just something to factor into your business plans, if it is possible to do so.

In my last role, suppliers were essentially working on the same assumptions but reacting differently. Some suppliers for the same product types were taking no responsibilities for transportation, so we had to collect products from their factories, but we had no relationships with the couriers and agents from their locale. Other suppliers were using it as a way of making more money from us. The only real consistency was that they were looking to abdicate any responsibilities for delivering products on time.

Until the rules are fully understood you'll also have confusion at this end and what remedial work if any is required and by whom. I had Dutch and Spanish suppliers using different commodity codes and descriptions for the same products. Both were plant based products that could probably be classified as medium or high risk depending on your understanding of the rules.

From HM Gov -

If all or part of your consignment fails plant health checks, an inspector may be able to advise on what you need to do for the consignment to pass.

If the inspector decides that the failed goods cause a risk to plant health, they may:

  • destroy your goods
  • ask you to return them
If you need to return goods to the EU, they’ll be treated as an export. The plant health authority in the country you’re exporting to will explain how to do this.

In practice, no one knows what this means.
 
SmallTown said:
I meant painfully obvious to people who thought critically about it. Unfortunately things the are "painfully obvious" to brexiteers are whatever lies they get sold.
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But that critical thought didn't extend to Tory voters putting other practicalities ahead of the guaranteed hard Brexit a Tory vote would ensure?

The only chance to mitigate against the very worst of Brexits was to vote Labour. You chose not to, so logically your position on Brexit was less of an issue compared to your position on other factors.

You didn't care about a hard Brexit then, so why are you so antagonistic to people that held a similar view?

If you've changed your mind then surely it's better to try and persuade politely rather than cajole?
 
Scrote said:
If you've changed your mind then surely it's better to try and persuade politely rather than cajole?
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These threads appear with such regularity, are so condescending and devoid of any proper debate - I am starting to suspect they are just posted to illicit a response and increase clicks. For whatever reason that might be.
 
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