As others have said, you've got what I was trying to say backwards.
March for Palestine - Centre Square - 2pm.
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As others have said, you've got what I was trying to say backwards.
thewanderer
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You won't get an answer.
r00fie1
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What does Israel expect when they continue to persecute the Palestinian people?
If you have a dog and you keep pulling it’s tail, at some point it’s going to turn around and bite you.
Corcaigh_the_Cat
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It was largely a civil war between British subjects. Why would Ireland be bombed, a different nation. Instead civilians in Northern Ireland, part of the UK, were shot.
And sometimes shot with the connivance of the British State. On both sides. A very dirty war.
Strange comment, coming after multiple people did answer.
Perhaps you mean you won't get an answer that appeals to you.Netanyahu, who was disliked before putting together what has been the most right wing government seen in Isreal. Will have to stand up and admit his responsibility for the huge security lapse that allowed the original incursion.
He will be gone anyway, probably sooner rather than later.
Mostly he should be worried about Hezbollah and what they may do…because apparently everyone else is, according to someone who knows a lot more about the regional politics than I do.
Hezbollah is not Hamas.
He will be gone anyway, probably sooner rather than later.
Mostly he should be worried about Hezbollah and what they may do…because apparently everyone else is, according to someone who knows a lot more about the regional politics than I do.
Hezbollah is not Hamas.
The IDF are not what they once were.
That said the US will not stand by and watch Hezbollah destroy the state of Israel.
This alone prevents the horror from spreading outside of Gaza.
BlindBoyGrunt
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Hamas probably thought they would get a reaction like this, but why do you insist on only looking at this problem as though it began in October this year? Why not go back further?
Zionist terrorist gangs have been active in this part of the world since the middle of WW2 and before Israel existed. There were two or three large groups, the best known of which were the Stern Gang, and they were bombing roads, railways and bridges etc and also attacking the British and assassinating our diplomats. They even appealed to the Axis countries (Germany, Italy and Japan) for assistance. That's right, terrorist organisations that purported to represent the Jewish aspiration for a national home were appealing for help from Nazi Germany in their attacks on the British at the very time we were embroiled in war with the persecutors of Jewish people in Europe.
What Hamas did was terrible but do you not think that these Zionist groups and then Israel itself with the way it treats Palestinians have not created the conditions for Hamas to exist? As Superstu pointed out, if we were invaded and pushed into a corner of Scotland we would rightly react.
parmoboy
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I think getting rid of Hamas is needed before we see a regime change in Israeli government. Others perhaps see it the other way round.
I also think most people hold four parallel views simultaneously:
- Anti Hamas
- Anti Zionism
- Pro an independent Palestinian state
- Pro an Israel free from attack from terrorists and neighbours.
I think the extremists on both sides can’t grasp those four positions and conflate them into a more black/white issue. I'm not saying that marches should necessarily be pro Israel, I'm just saying that all marches should promote the four parallel views which I've listed.
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On and on and on we go.....
Lets go back to Moses?
Or at least the more modern direct influence, the Brits.
I do agree though that without the state of Israel Hamas would not exist.
Hamas have reaped what they sown.
But the rest of Gaza bleeds and dies as well.
BlindBoyGrunt
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Then you're agreeing with something i didn't say.
How about 'without the abhorrent behaviour of Israel, Hamas would not exist.'
Why do you think you can dictate to me what I should or should not agree with?
I abhor war crimes currently being committed against the people of Gaza.
I ahhor the war crimes committed against Israeli citizens.
I agree that Hamas is reaping what it has sown and Israel is also reaping what it has sown or rather its government has sown over many years.
Without doubt.
If we're honest the 'West' would not have tolerated what has gone on in the West Bank and Gaza had the populace been Christian.
The only suprise is that it has taken this long for this to flare up to the extent that it has.
But that still does not forgive the atrocities committed on both sides.
There’s a strong element within some political/military groups to go into Lebanon.
Hezbollah are in no position to “destroy the state of Isreal” even if they would like too, and they know it.
Analysis: It’s a win-win for Hezbollah against Israel so far
Hezbollah does not need to cross the border to keep Israel locked into the prospect of a two-front war.
r00fie1
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Historical context is essential to understanding whats going on.
Ironically, your comment about going back to Moses is what Religious Zionists do, to justify genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
Israel is a Zionist racist endeavour.
A supremacist state whose ultimate aim we see in front of us today.
Nothing to do with Hamas.
Zionism is not Judaism.
This is not a war between Hamas and Judaism - this is murder on an industrial scale.
Almost as many children have been murdered in 31 days in Gaza [let alone the West Bank] than were killed in Hitler`s 8 - month blitz of London in World War II.
Shameful.
Corcaigh_the_Cat
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And it doesn't have to. That's the point being made.