re the foden situation - he needs to be played

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Jedi boro said:
He’s not just another player though that’s not what we are saying he’s the best young player in England, and if we can’t find a place for him in the current set up formation then something needs to change.
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don't agree. If he's so good he should be able to play on the right. For England he constantly gives the ball away, fails to create anything and doesn't score goals. He has time on his side but there's nothing to suggest southgate should build a team around him. He needs to prove he is good enough to get in the team.

I do think he should of came on last night but I understand why he doesn't.
 
For England, Fodens not done as badly as youd think.

Mount has 5 goals 5 asissts in 2116 minutes about 23 1/2 games worth and a goal or assist every 211.6 minutes
Foden has 2 goals 6 assists in 1150 minutes for england about 12 3/4 games worth or a goal or assist every 143.7 minutes

I think Grealish failing to settle fully at City has cost Foden a place in the centre more often than not as they are often rotated on the left or he has to cover the right which he isnt suited to rather than getting to play together alongside each other. if Grealish was ripping it up i think Foden would be a regualr in the middle.
 
You don’t win a World Cup in the group stages. It felt very much like we were keeping our powder dry last night. Southgate is cool as a cucumber.
 
Jedi boro said:
He’s not just another player though that’s not what we are saying he’s the best young player in England, and if we can’t find a place for him in the current set up formation then something needs to change.
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sory that's just an opinion. He is one of a number of great prospective players, which also includes Saka who plays in the same role as him and has been more influential in the premier league so far this season. But I wouldn't say he is the best young english player. I would argue that it's Bellingham right now. Making Foden possibly third best.
 
Priv said:
For England, Fodens not done as badly as youd think.

Mount has 5 goals 5 asissts in 2116 minutes about 23 1/2 games worth and a goal or assist every 211.6 minutes
Foden has 2 goals 6 assists in 1150 minutes for england about 12 3/4 games worth or a goal or assist every 143.7 minutes

I think Grealish failing to settle fully at City has cost Foden a place in the centre more often than not as they are often rotated on the left or he has to cover the right which he isnt suited to rather than getting to play together alongside each other. if Grealish was ripping it up i think Foden would be a regualr in the middle.
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Eventually I think Foden will be in the middle, maybe 18 months from now. If he can impose his game in that role he could be a game changer, but he's still learning.

Those base stats above same fairly even, but when you look in more detail it's clear that Foden hasn't done it beyond the minnows.
Assists: 2 in 2 games vs San Marino, 1 vs Andorra, 1 vs Albania. Other than that he had a great game vs Iceland 2 years ago in the nations league with 2 goals and an assist. Since then he's played competitive games vs Croatia, Scotland, Denmark, Hungary, Hungary, Italy, Germany and now 19 mins vs Iran......that's 8 appearances in competitive games against non-minnows, without a goal or assist. I'm a big fan of his, but he hasn't proven himself at international level yet. He will eventually, he's still 6 or 7 years from his peak.
 
I don’t know why everyone is getting so paralyzed by the fact we only managed a draw with the US? Foden or no Foden we didn’t lose, I didn’t see too many things to be upset about such as yellow cards, injuries or anything more sinister. I seem to remember in the last WC we lost a game to Belgium but (guess what) we still made it through to the semis. Lastly Foden will play v Wales.
 
BoroMart said:
sory that's just an opinion. He is one of a number of great prospective players, which also includes Saka who plays in the same role as him and has been more influential in the premier league so far this season. But I wouldn't say he is the best young english player. I would argue that it's Bellingham right now. Making Foden possibly third best.
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That’s why I said in England as I agree I think Bellingham is our greatest talent.
 
Jedi boro said:
That’s why I said in England as I agree I think Bellingham is our greatest talent.
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He needs to bring that game to the England camp and when we are playing players that are better than San Marino and Andorra. He's under performed so far in his england career, compared to his talent. Needs to show his personality on the pitch when he gets the chance now
 
allied_assault said:
AB
Do you actually think before you post!!??
The same team thrashed Iran - were you saying that the team was set up not to get beat after that?!
Wales will not beat us by 4 clear goals
Jeez!
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allied,

It's all about opinions and like everyone else I'm entitled to mine. England had absolutely nothing to offer against the USA regarding flare, opportunity and creativity, strangely enough many of the so called TV experts agreed with me, it was a bore draw. Hey ho, on we go to Tuesday and hope for a good result against Wales who will be fired up for a clash with the enemy😁

#UTB
 
Jedi boro said:
The only issue I have with this view and Gareth said something similar is that Henderson didn’t shore anything up in fact the only thing that stopped a defeat was the cross bar.

As the us has countless attacking chances. After we had shored it up apparently.
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So the US had lots of chances before Henderson came on, and were dominating the game. Then had zero chances (not a single attempt at goal)and didn't dominate the game after Henderson came on, and this is proof that Henderson didn't shore anything up? Interesting logic...
 
BoroMart said:
Correct, the US basically just dropped their high block back 15 yards, and played for the point from about the time Henderson came on. They didn't really create any good break opportunities either. We did have the better of the game at that point and looked pretty comfortable for the point and slightly more likely to win it.
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They were dropping deep before that which made the Rushford sub even more baffling for me. He had no space in behind to run into.

Grealish and Foden should have come on in the wide positions to help us get on the ball more.

The omission of Foden is frustrating for fans because when you watch him for City he looks like one of the best players in Europe.

I think you could play him as a 10 behind Kane in a 4231 and he'll link the play up superbly. You could keep Saka and Sterling in that team, obviously you would need Rice and Bellingham sitting to protect the back 4 in that formation but I think it could be made to work if you get that balance right. If nothing else you could play that way when you are chasing a game.

Southgate has done a great job and people are right to say that he's improved us hugely from the Hodgson and Capello era's. That doesn't make him immune from criticism though, we can accept that he's improved the England and still question his decisions, its not one or the other.
 
Uwefuchs said:
They were dropping deep before that which made the Rushford sub even more baffling for me. He had no space in behind to run into.
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But he runs with pace and power and is more of a goal threat than Foden, it isn't just about running in behind. We needed an internatinoal goal scorer on the pitch, so Rashford was the most obvious choice
 
When Foden is picked, the attention will turn to someone else. Nobody noticed he didn’t start against Iran.

The English are absolutely obsessed with the players who aren’t playing as opposed to those who are. It was Maddison a fortnight ago, Bellingham just before that, Saka just before that, Grealish just before that. It’s so, so, so tedious.

We’re in a very, very strong position to win the group. Again. Before this bloke took over we weren’t even getting out of groups let alone winning them.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
When Foden is picked, the attention will turn to someone else. Nobody noticed he didn’t start against Iran.

The English are absolutely obsessed with the players who aren’t playing as opposed to those who are. It was Maddison a fortnight ago, Bellingham just before that, Saka just before that, Grealish just before that. It’s so, so, so tedious.

We’re in a very, very strong position to win the group. Again. Before this bloke took over we weren’t even getting out of groups let alone winning them.
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Yeah completely agree you could understand it if we weren't in contention to qualify. The criticsm from the likes of neville who said he couldn't believe TAA was left on the bench is just baffling. Hes the exact opposite of what we needed in that game.

He knew we needed to keep it tight and someone like foden trying to create will give the ball away at times. Is wasnt worth the risk. Rashford was there to stretch them and push them back.
 
TheWolfman said:
Yeah completely agree you could understand it if we weren't in contention to qualify. The criticsm from the likes of neville who said he couldn't believe TAA was left on the bench is just baffling. Hes the exact opposite of what we needed in that game.
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I like Neville but his expert knowledge was tested and failed when he managed Valencia
 
Uwefuchs said:
Come on you'd think I was suggested him playing centre back. He's played in various positions across the front for City.
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playing wide is very different to central. Vision and awareness is much more important when you are central. He's played that #8 role 5 times in 2 1/2 years. The idea that he will suddenly be a game changer for England in a role that he has barely played for his club, despite doing very little in 19 England appearances is a gamble at best, fanciful at worst.

He has predominantly played out wide for City, and he doesn't need to worry about what is behind him in that role. It's totally different. I do think eventually he is equipped to play that role but it'll take 12 months of playing regularly to learn it
 
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