The end?

My mate says that there's a lot kicking off in Iran and around the Persian gulf at the moment. GPS down and insane levels of electronic warfare. Not what we need ... oil prices rising again.
 
Lefty said:
Since I feel in need of something positive, I agree with Ian Dunt about this. It does feel like on Ukraine we have recovered some seriousness and statesmanship. Even Boris was decent on Ukraine once the war began, after being asleep for so long about Russia, I suppose.

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Sorry I just can't accept that he carries any credible authority
I did listen to it and agree with what he said but IMO coming from him, with his record, it carries no weight.
He's a feckless vvanker responsible for so so much that is wrong with the UK right now.
 
zzzzz said:
Sorry I just can't accept that he carries any credible authority
I did listen to it and agree with what he said but IMO coming from him, with his record, it carries no weight.
He's a feckless vvanker responsible for so so much that is wrong with the UK right now.
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I'm not disagreeing he was a disaster as PM. Nor that he bears responsibility for what came after.

We have had bad policies, no policies, policies not enacted or indecision ever since, but we've also had flannel, poor communication, mixed messages and flip flopping, particularly domestically or in other foreign matters.

On this though, it is clear, direct and refreshing for it. The Ukraine War is probably the most important issue for us right now, even if most people don't realise it, so I welcome any signs our government is growing up. We do need to speak with one voice as the EU+friends. Not the easiest of things to do when you've spent 8-9 years insulting them.

Anyway, let's not derail the thread onto the last 14 years of UK domestic bliss. I merely wanted to highlight this in itself was a good thing in my opinion.
 
Lefty said:
I'm not disagreeing he was a disaster as PM. Nor that he bears responsibility for what came after.

We have had bad policies, no policies, policies not enacted or indecision ever since, but we've also had flannel, poor communication, mixed messages and flip flopping, particularly domestically or in other foreign matters.

On this though, it is clear, direct and refreshing for it. The Ukraine War is probably the most important issue for us right now, even if most people don't realise it, so I welcome any signs our government is growing up. We do need to speak with one voice as the EU+friends. Not the easiest of things to do when you've spent 8-9 years insulting them.

Anyway, let's not derail the thread onto the last 14 years of UK domestic bliss. I merely wanted to highlight this in itself was a good thing in my opinion.
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Agreed
 
Lefty said:
I'm not disagreeing he was a disaster as PM. Nor that he bears responsibility for what came after.

We have had bad policies, no policies, policies not enacted or indecision ever since, but we've also had flannel, poor communication, mixed messages and flip flopping, particularly domestically or in other foreign matters.

On this though, it is clear, direct and refreshing for it. The Ukraine War is probably the most important issue for us right now, even if most people don't realise it, so I welcome any signs our government is growing up. We do need to speak with one voice as the EU+friends. Not the easiest of things to do when you've spent 8-9 years insulting them.

Anyway, let's not derail the thread onto the last 14 years of UK domestic bliss. I merely wanted to highlight this in itself was a good thing in my opinion.
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Exactly. He ballsed things up, certainly when trying to appease the 1922 Committee loons and we've all payed a heavy price but he at least comes across like a genuine statesman which is a far cry from practically all the others. And I was almost nostalgic for his trademark 'abruptly ending the conversation and walking off' at the end there. :)

I'm not sure I can see an outcome where Russia pays reparations though so that might be a bit optimistic.
 
MoggasDog said:
Cameron was beaten as PM by undoubted, demonstrable interference from Russia. He has an axe to grind.
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They did interfere in the Brexit referendum, but the Russian money and influence was going in to the Conservative Party long before that and he was happy to take it in return for a few games of tennis. Boris is even more culpable.

However it is fair to say that Boris was also quite good in the end on Ukraine.

I suspect Cameron's biggest motivation is just recovering some sort of reputation, because his legacy as up to now is absolute trash.

I don't care what the motivation is, I'm just glad he properly seems to have it. I'm not sure he has it on the other major foreign policy issue at the moment ie Israel/Gaza issue by contrast. That is not me making a criticism or political point on Gaza either way, to be clear, as again it could derail the thread. I'm merely saying that by contrast, we seem to have a decisive position and a direction of travel on Ukraine and that is a good thing for us, for Europe and Ukraine.
 
MoggasDog said:
Cameron was beaten as PM by undoubted, demonstrable interference from Russia. He has an axe to grind.
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I'm pretty sure he helped install the Russian 'interferers'. I doubt he's ever lost any sleep over losing the Brexit vote, walking away, and then the fallout that followed.

Lefty said:
That is not me making a criticism or political point on Gaza either way, to be clear, as again it could derail the thread. I'm merely saying that by contrast, we seem to have a decisive position and a direction of travel on Ukraine and that is a good thing for us, for Europe and Ukraine.
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It's probably a lot easier, politically, to align with Europe and the US against Russia - especially with the Soviet Union style aspirations of Putin.
 
Osk is home to three major military industrial plants. All are now approx 12 metres underwater I believe.

Karma being a Saloup.
 
Not sure of the accuracy , but when translated this internet poll says over 70 per cent in Konigsberg don't want to be ruled by Russia

www.idelreal.org

Интернет-референдумы о независимости пяти регионов России завершены: результаты

Оргкомитет "Национального онлайн-референдума по самоопределению республик РФ" опубликовал первые результаты голосования о дальнейшей судьбе пяти российских регионов — Урала, Сибири, Кубани, Ингрии и Кенигсберга.
www.idelreal.org www.idelreal.org
 
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