Racism.

Same_as_before said:
Is there nothing Brexit' to blame for? The monkey chants heard: Spanish and Italian grounds, Hungary. Poland, Russia,

The open racism in the American South, KKK, the caste system,

The National Front winning seats in Bow, Le Pen.

Racists are disgusting, I don't even understand the concept, but to blame Brexit' for it when it's being going on for 100's of years is quite sad.
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You’ve obviously misunderstood what I’ve said. More likely knowing it’s you you’ve twisted it to have a go at me. The thread on bullying must have passed you by.
Anyway to explain: Brexit was always about immigration and essentially spreading fear and hatred of people who are different to you. This has emboldened the racists. Given them a voice. They have always been there but this massive political act, whose foundation is bigotry , has given them the comfort to speak freely about their racism. Coupled with the current PM saying openly racist things, they now feel they have the freedom to fully embrace their racism.
 
I think Farage made it difficult for those people who wanted to be out , as people thought they thought the same as him on Romanians etc and his beach watch escapades as the main spearhead for Brexit.

I would imagine the Brexiters on here had taken a comprehensive look at the trade figures, weighed what we as a country would have made in the long run by being out of the EU, and after calculating the figures deemed with a heavy heart that we should be out.
Or some of their heavy investments went kaput and they took a view that the EU was bad.

Its understandable.
 
Muttley said:
If I could be bothered I'd dig up the thread where several posters excused fans booing the England players taking the knee before the friendlies at the Riverside and I would ask every single one of them to reconsider their opinion based on subsequent events.

I'm not going to but hopefully those posters might already be thinking again about supporting positive actions like BLM and all Anti Racism campaigns rather than excusing behaviour that encourages or emboldens racism in the future.
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Lovely sentiment Muttley but I'll bare my **** in Binns window if any of those knuckle-draggers suddenly see the light.
 
Same_as_before said:
I disagree, it was horrendous in the 70's and 80's when it was far more open. Then we were ingrained in the EU as it was. Today it is the secrecy of social media.

To be fair to ST he has watered down calling me a racist, as I voted Brexit.
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And before the 70's and 80's it was worse still, that does not absolve the emergence of racism that the campaigns/people around Brexit perpetuated for its own means.

Social media was a tool deliberately used to fuel racism and isolationism to whip up racial tensions with the result being people, who's opinions that shouldn't leave their tiny minds, were given platform's and support to spew their bile openly.

These platforms are the legacy of Brexit and need to be removed.
 
Same_as_before said:
I disagree, it was horrendous in the 70's and 80's when it was far more open.
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Yeah, it was terrible. NF on the street, P**i bashing, beating up gays, anyone with long hair or slightly different. I was there, I ran a few times, I fought a few times, I saw kids and women trampled by these our souls. They are probably the same scum we have now "boomers", still giving their generation a bad name. They never fought in a war but sing songs about it. They had the benefits of what their parents and grand parents fought for and voted it away from their children.

We thought it had gone away but it has been emboldened by politicians like Johnson, Farage and Patel "telling it like it is" making them feel relevant again and Brexit is merely symptom of it. The posters lying about Turkey about to enter the EU with (seemingly) the whole population heading for blighty. The use of racist symbology and dog whistling.

That it was worse in the 60s, 70s or whenever doesn't matter it needs to be eradicated and excusing it by saying it was worse fifty years ago is pretty pathetic.
 
Same_as_before said:
I disagree, it was horrendous in the 70's and 80's when it was far more open. Then we were ingrained in the EU as it was. Today it is the secrecy of social media.

To be fair to ST he has watered down calling me a racist, as I voted Brexit.
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I am sorry to say racism is rife again. You might not see racism in tv comedies like the 1970s but once again racists are emboldened because they believe they have mass support.
If you think it is only 5000 then sadly you are way off the mark. Two years ago at the Nations Cup finals in Portugal the behaviour of the MAJORITY of England fans was quite appalling. I don't mean violent, I mean ignorant, xenophobic and extremely anti social. When I say xenophobic, we shouldn't distinguish this from racism because the England fans were not drawing any lines.
I have been watching England in tournaments for years but what made this most disturbing in Portugal is that this was a new, younger generation not the ageing relics from the 70s. A new younger generation of very ignorant and racist England fans. Really sad. Way more than 5000 of them. They must be the tip of the iceberg. Terrible.
 
Selling fanzines outside the Riverside at the end of the 90s I occasionally heard Far Right agitators walking to the stadium trying to drum up support singing songs. They were ignored. Their recruitment drives failed.
Away at Stoke City a couple of years ago maybe as many as a thousand "Boro" fans, many dressed all in black, were singing those same songs/chants throughout the match.
That is certainly not progress.
 
The events of yesterday made me feel ashamed to be English. I have to now agree with those that conclude the whole Brexit discussion both before and after the vote has been the accelerant to give a voice to racists once more that I genuinely believed were a diminishing minority. Clearly I have been very naive with that thinking. Brexit and the divisive arguments have obviously stoked it hugely and MP’s actions and crass comments continue to do so. I now bitterly regret Brexit and what it has done to our society.

Last night, has for me, taken all the gloss over the great progress Southgate and all the squad had made in making our Euros a positive journey. The scumbags racially abusing Rashford, Sancho and Saka need hunting down, prosecuting and jailing. Those scenes inside the stadium after the game were abhorrent and all these social media sites need to offer up the identities of these racists wherever in the World they hide, they need naming, shaming and must be prosecuted.
 
Muttley said:
Yeah, it was terrible. NF on the street, P**i bashing, beating up gays, anyone with long hair or slightly different. I was there, I ran a few times, I fought a few times, I saw kids and women trampled by these our souls. They are probably the same scum we have now "boomers", still giving their generation a bad name. They never fought in a war but sing songs about it. They had the benefits of what their parents and grand parents fought for and voted it away from their children.

We thought it had gone away but it has been emboldened by politicians like Johnson, Farage and Patel "telling it like it is" making them feel relevant again and Brexit is merely symptom of it. The posters lying about Turkey about to enter the EU with (seemingly) the whole population heading for blighty. The use of racist symbology and dog whistling.

That it was worse in the 60s, 70s or whenever doesn't matter it needs to be eradicated and excusing it by saying it was worse fifty years ago is pretty pathetic.
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I am the opposite of excusing it. I am Trying (badly) to say it's getting better. I honestly think it's nothing to do with Brexit'. France Italy Spain Germany Hungary all have right wing evil people. That cannot be blamed on Brexit'.

How ST can conscrew it to call my opinion bullying is beyond me.

I will openly say I think he is a con man , I have always thought that.

I was once warned at a Real Madrid game for having a pop at a few lads who were monkey chanting their own player. To be fair though a few of their supporters put the steward in his place for me.
 
Not sure if brexit is a symptom or the cause to be honest. The USA have just gone through the same thing.

It's out social media and the Internet that allows this sort of thing to flourish whether you are a collector of fine wines, rare Stamps or comicon you can connect with like minded folks. Unfortunately the same is true of paedophiles and racists.
 
Same_as_before said:
How ST can conscrew it to call my opinion bullying is beyond me.

I will openly say I think he is a con man , I have always thought that.
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Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. Plenty of people on here have acknowledged that Brexit may have helped embolden the racists. Yet you chose to solely pick me out, no once, not twice, but three times. And you can’t understand where my bully reference comes from? The frightening thing is I believe you. You just don’t understand what you’re doing.


Any way back to the thread. @Laughing may have a point. It may be that racism has been on the rise and this contributed to Brexit and it’s anti immigration fury. Not sure what the trigger would be in that case. Unless it was the build up to Brexit stirring up racial hatred?
 
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rob_fmttm said:
I am sorry to say racism is rife again. You might not see racism in tv comedies like the 1970s but once again racists are emboldened because they believe they have mass support.
If you think it is only 5000 then sadly you are way off the mark. Two years ago at the Nations Cup finals in Portugal the behaviour of the MAJORITY of England fans was quite appalling. I don't mean violent, I mean ignorant, xenophobic and extremely anti social. When I say xenophobic, we shouldn't distinguish this from racism because the England fans were not drawing any lines.
I have been watching England in tournaments for years but what made this most disturbing in Portugal is that this was a new, younger generation not the ageing relics from the 70s. A new younger generation of very ignorant and racist England fans. Really sad. Way more than 5000 of them. They must be the tip of the iceberg. Terrible.
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Again I agree , I don't go away to watch England so I will accept what you say.

I meant 5000 using internet to abuse you boys, it's awful
 
Brexit empowered the racists there's no doubt. That's not saying all brexiters are racist but the racists will have overwhelmingly voted leave and see the vote as legitimising their prejudice and hate. Its like they think its ok , and it explains the otherwise baffling popularity of a racist PM
www.bbc.co.uk

Brexit 'major influence' in racism rise - BBC News

Community officers are being appointed around Wales to help deal with "tensions" in some areas.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
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Some of the replies on here make me sad. Some inspire me with hope.

I think it’s really clear that Brexit emboldened the far right and fascism. It legitimised it and added accelerant to a flame that was never extinguished. Anyone that can’t see that must be in denial. It’s ridiculously obvious. Even the bare statistics support it.

I also think it’s equally clear that dismissing it as a ‘small minority’ is to sweep it under the carpet. That is part of the problem. It is a minority but it’s also everywhere in society. Top to bottom. In the government. In the estate agents. In the pub. In the stands. It is a poison that soils the entire well. We need to stop dismissing it as just a minority and start facing up to the problem.

This is why these heroic players and manager take the knee. They told us it is why they were taking the knee. Racists chose to boo. Let’s hope that those who booed out of ignorance have had time now to reflect. What has happened as a consequence of three black players missing penalties is the very reason they knelt.
 
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