Corcaigh_the_Cat
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There's been a big push by the hard right, supported by propaganda in the media, Brexit was part of that push, its popularity giving legitimacy to xenophobia.
Racism.
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Same_as_before
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A question for ST, Rob, Jam, CtC. And the others who have said either all or most Brexiteers are racist. Let's be brutal, does that include:
Me
My wife who taught in a mainly Muslim school and asked to go to the mosque to thank her.
My sister in law, a heart nurse who has been part of saving 1000's of life's. I don't think she refused non whites.
My brother who runs a charity, I think Rob knows him, a multi cultural charity helping people get over an illness.
My son's.
Two lads who Clean the streets,
Somewhere there us between 8m and 17m racists based on your criteria.
I find what you say about my family frankly I think it is disgusting.
Me
My wife who taught in a mainly Muslim school and asked to go to the mosque to thank her.
My sister in law, a heart nurse who has been part of saving 1000's of life's. I don't think she refused non whites.
My brother who runs a charity, I think Rob knows him, a multi cultural charity helping people get over an illness.
My son's.
Two lads who Clean the streets,
Somewhere there us between 8m and 17m racists based on your criteria.
I find what you say about my family frankly I think it is disgusting.
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Adi_Dem
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Nobody has said that. What we have said is this: not all Brexit voters are racist but all racists are Brexit voters. We have also said that the Brexit vote was materially related to immigration and that since the vote racists and the far right have been emboldened and feel legitimised. None of that is personal to either you or your family.
Same_as_before
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Why shouldn't I take it personally? Be default you call them racist ST, said all ask him, all of you Have used the word most. So which of the ones I identified are racists. Tell me.
Or is it only the ones I don't know. Mr &Mrs Jones in Hartlepool and their family. Miss Muldoon in Purfleet?
Come on
Andy_W
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I think we need to start to look at making people responsible for their actions, and coming down hard on them extremely severely.
On social media it's probably going to mean that you have to verify accounts, so they're linked to a person, the account might not have to display who that person is, but there needs to be a way for the authorities to easily trace online racists and trolls. Too many anonymous accounts spreading hate, free of risk to themselves, there's no need for it.
On social media it's probably going to mean that you have to verify accounts, so they're linked to a person, the account might not have to display who that person is, but there needs to be a way for the authorities to easily trace online racists and trolls. Too many anonymous accounts spreading hate, free of risk to themselves, there's no need for it.
Same_as_before
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You are changing the agenda, although I agree with you completely, Ming's told as it needed to be told.
According to the fervent remain, the majority of my and in ST's case all, are racists. I find that incredibly offensive.
Adi_Dem
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You are fundamentally misunderstanding the statement being made. Read it again:
Not all Brexit voters are racist.
All racists are Brexit voters.
Same_as_before
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No you read the threads, the words used are in ST case, all, and in other most. Stop being a coward, name which from the list is. as you say only Brexiteers are racist, so which ?
Or is it only people we don't know?
Or is it only people we don't know?
Nosmo-King
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For those too young let me tell you the Holgate in the Seventies was a very racist terrace. Monkey chants were often heard- and it wasn’t just a few. There was also a pretty distasteful chant about black players at that time. So we do have “form” as a club.
Those days are long gone, thankfully- but the Holgate in those days was a bit of a cesspit for racism.
Those days are long gone, thankfully- but the Holgate in those days was a bit of a cesspit for racism.
Grow up. Nobody said everyone that voted for Brexit are racists or 'most' and you know that so stop being childish.
It diminishes your opinion.
Xenophobics maybe
Adi_Dem
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I have read the threads. I am not being a coward. I am explaining it to you and you are choosing not to understand it.
Same_as_before
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So wh
You are still saying an element of my family are racist. Disgusting.
So which is it? Most , all ....?
You are still saying an element of my family are racist. Disgusting.
Andy_W
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Nobody has said that, ever, if they have then they would be wrong (but they're not as they've not said it, from what I've seen).
You either don't understand, in which case, you probably shouldn't bother commenting. Or you do understand but are just playing dumb, or trying to turn the tables, or be deceptive about what was actually said/ written.
Nobody is saying you're racist.
But there are lots of racists about, and loads of xenophobic people, but I bet next to none of them voted to remain. If they didn't vote remain, then they're going to be voting leave. Seeing as leave was largely about immigration, then it's totally fair to assume that racist people will vote to leave. This does not mean all leavers are racist, far from it, most aren't, but the racist vote probably tipped the balance of the result. Without the racism/ xenophobia, we would not have left, that's the basics of it.
I've got leave voters in my family, quite a few of them are racist too (I'm ashamed to say), or at least they were, I don't bother with them now, if I can avoid it. There's a few who claim they aren't racist, but it doesn't mean they aren't. It just means they hate others of different colour/ race, yet they don't like the world "racist" as it shows them up as the people they are.
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Same_as_before
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Read the posts, ST said all, the others say most.Grow up. Nobody said everyone that voted for Brexit are racists or 'most' and you know that so stop being childish.
It diminishes your opinion.
Xenophobics maybe
Why is it childish for calling you out by the generalisation that all Brexiteers are racist. I note on another thread people are offended that evidently all England fans are scum
Adi_Dem
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No, I'm absolutely not saying anything of the sort. Get a grip.
Same_as_before
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So who are these invisible people? Doctors. Nurses teachers. Social workers, street cleaners , gas fitters , who are you accusing ?
Otto42
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I think Adi is saying the complete opposite tbf so your probably having a go at the wrong fella here!
Adi_Dem
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Are you being serious here? Do you really not understand?
This is what I am saying:
Not all Brexit voters are racist: this means that I do not believe that everyone that voted for Brexit is a racist. This covers off all of the people in your family that voted to leave and who you say aren't racist. Your people are therefore firmly in this category i.e. I am not calling them racist.
All racists are Brexit voters: this means that anyone who *is* a racist is more likely than not to have voted for Brexit. In other words if you meet a racist then it's likely that they will tell you they voted for Brexit. I do not for a second believe anyone with far right, fascist or racist views would have voted to remain.
I can't speak for anyone else, I can only tell you my own view and that is pretty much as clear as I can make it.
bear66
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Two studies have relatively recently asked the same two questions to estimate the degree of biological racist in the UK. The first question: are some races born less intelligent than others. This would be widely recognised as a racist statement and 18 and 19% pf people believed this in the two polls. The second question: are some races born harder working than other races. This is less blatant but 38% and 44% thought this in the two polls. Whether you go with the lower or higher figure, a substantial minority of people in the UK subscribe to some form of racist belief.
Andy_W
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Well explained, lets see if he finally gets it.
Or let's see if he doesn't get it still, or pretends he doesn't get it.